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this is Jim semithan and you are

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listening to that UFO podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast my name is Andy and I am joined

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on the podcast today by an author

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researcher and experiencer his name is

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Steve Aspen and he's here to discuss His

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Brilliant book out of time the

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intergenerational abduction program

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explored Steve welcome to the podcast

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hi Andy

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hi good to be here very good yeah very

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good to finally have you on we've had to

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reschedule once or twice but here we are

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um and Steve I always like to start off

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the podcast speaking to the guests with

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just a little bit about yourself and

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your own background and I commonly ask

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how the UFO topic first became a part of

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your life was that a TV show was it a

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book you read but for you the the

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phenomenon has really played that part

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in not only your own life but your

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families too hasn't it yeah but

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um it has but I didn't realize none of

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us realized

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um I didn't realize until my 50s that it

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was to do with unidentified flying

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objects or aliens at all I I thought as

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a child as did my

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um you know my mother and grandmother I

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cloaked it in um it's

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folklore it's some something weird and

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uh it's one of those things that's part

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of human life and it's it's part of the

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ancestral stuff and um it's one of those

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strange things and you know my mother

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uh very attracted to spiritualism and

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she cloaked it in

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um the afterlife and uh Spirits talking

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to her and that kind of thing and she

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was a median was she wasn't at me she

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used to go and visit mediums but she

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became uh a quite successful

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um spiritual healer in her final years

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uh with us which she died in

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2023 years ago and my grandmother I only

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had one conversation about the

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absolutely in the fairies and the Pixies

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Yorkshire Farm

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as the Yorkshire farmer's daughter and

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Yorkshire in the early 20th century she

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had nothing else to explain it and

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that's how that's the the framework she

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put in it so until I was 51 I didn't

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really connect it with alien abduction

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at all

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the Extraterrestrial Paradigm I had no

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so I was just British

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it's funny because people in a modern

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setting can sometimes laugh those off as

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you know pictures and fairies and such

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don't exist but like you say if you go

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back 50 60 70 years and even further

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back than that these are just labels for

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things that weren't understood at the

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time or people had no you know frame of

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reference for if you go back to Roman

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times there's there's talk of flying

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because they didn't know about flying

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saucers or even aircraft at the time so

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you you talk about it how you know it so

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I think that's important to reference

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that when we hear about angels and

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demons even sure these types of ways of

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describing entities that are just yeah

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there are none

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there are um a number of uh

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extraordinary things in the natural

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world and uh all these

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all these paradigms all these

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things interest people and uh things

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that they connect themselves to are you

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know possibly have some reality to them

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um the alien abduction thing is what my

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book is about because it's it's the core

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of it explains everything that's

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happened to my family throughout the

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generations and um

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even obviously many of your

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um audience will understand about uh

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Jack Valley's passport to Magonia thesis

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which which she published in 1979 which

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attached the whole Flying Saucer

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extraterrestrial Paradigm to the the the

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folklore and fairies um

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you know throughout history and

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um that's actually certain Muddy Waters

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um subject somewhat uh unfortunately it

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wasn't his intention to do that but it's

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it's actually it is it's actually

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what a lot of people in the in the field

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attach themselves to or give a great

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deal of credence to and I think possibly

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more Credence than it than it and

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actually deserves

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in what way what do you think are people

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picking up these ideas and applying them

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rather than experiencing those for

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themselves and describing them

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the UFO field

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people or go on

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um chat forums and so forth it comes up

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again and again this is this idea that

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John Keel had of um of uh operation

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Trojan Horse and the the crypto crypto

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terrestrial idea that there's beings

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inside the planet that it responds are

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largely responsible for their Flying

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phenomenon and I think

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of it is it's extraterrestrial origin

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but it it because they're so rooted in

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popular culture in so many ways they

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it's often interpreted that way

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and you mentioned that the the

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phenomenon itself wasn't something that

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occurred to you until you were in your

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50s and that's right seeing you you

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is that right that's right um I had um

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chapter one in draft for more than 10

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that I wanted to cover should I ever

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commit to writing the manuscripts and

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Publishing and

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the British story is in 2007

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I really finally realized that uh the

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abduction phenomenon

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had been happening to me all my life uh

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if you read if your readers your viewers

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read the book they'll wonder why when

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they read through chapter one which is

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about 25 Pages why I didn't occur to me

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any earlier which is you know shocking

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really it didn't

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um because it just literally never

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occurred to me even though I'd read

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Whitney strieber's communion in 1987 and

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I knew at the alien abduction as a

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subject which I've come across because I

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I was kind of into I was fascinated by

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the UFO uh subject from a even as a

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child and I really didn't put it

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together but what you know in in 2007 I

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actually put it together and that sent

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me off um set me off

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on an investigative Journey first of all

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I read Bud hopkins's books where I

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always knew about him I'd heard of him

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but I was I've had no interest in

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pursuing his works but I finally read

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them in 2007 I read the books of Dr

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David Jacobs I read a few more books

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like you know like the John Max books

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from the Harvard University and Ray

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Fowler and a number of these people

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and um I I'd seen Nick Pope on TV uh

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because he's a he's a great media

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presence

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ministry of different UK Ministry

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defense and I'd seen him on late night

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television uh quite a bit and on

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documentaries on the Discovery Channel

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and so forth so I contacted Nick a fan

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is a dress as an email address on the

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internet and I wrote him and I didn't

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expect to reply but he replied within a

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few hours and um he met up with me and

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he gave me a great deal of guidance uh

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in during the first year or so of my

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engagement with the subject and I set

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off on a quest to

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try and meet with fundamentally with Bud

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Hopkins which are whose books impress me

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the most and he was seen to be

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deeply into this and and what he wrote

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about was precisely and exactly what

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Rex reflected in my own life and I

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thought you know if this guy has come to

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understand this so well

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um I want to meet this guy

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and um chapter six is the story of my

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efforts to meet Bud Hopkins which lasted

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over a year including several visits the

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United States before I actually met him

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when he couldn't he contacted me by

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telephone out of the blue because my

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wife had found a scoop Mark scar on my

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right shoulder

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she said I've seen these in

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books on you know UFOs and stuff and

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books and abductions I'd actually have

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known quite and no acquaintance with

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with the body scarring at all really and

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not not in detail and she sent the

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photos off to a few researchers who she

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knew in the United States uh she gotten

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by a piece of Robinson and a rather

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security Securities route they found

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them their their weights upon Hopkins

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just so happened that breakthrough films

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were working with Bud Hopkins uh making

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a film about his work and uh they wanted

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uh fresh scoop Mark scars that cases

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that had never been in a public domain

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before never been investigated so Bud

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phoned me up in at the end of September

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and asked if I'd go to Manhattan and he

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offered me to sustain his apartment and

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he said we'd be there for a week and I'd

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be interviewed by the producer and owner

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of uh breakthrough films and we'd go to

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a Manhattan uh leading Dermatological

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laboratory and it would by Scar would be

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biopsied on a pathology pathology report

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would be issued and we would do the

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whole thing so in 2008 and in early

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December we actually finally went there

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and I finally met both face to face but

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that was the end of a very long process

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and this this it was

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serendipitous in that it wasn't really

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initiated by me eventually because it's

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very hard to uh to reach uh but I mean

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quite a long time before that with two

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different types of cancer and um yeah

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when I went remission and then he got

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worse and so forth so he went in during

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his couple of conferences which I'd gone

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times he didn't show because of illness

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he he had to cancel so this meeting at

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the end of 2008 was unexpected and very

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fortunate and it had it led to a whole

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host of uh doors opening to me and uh it

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led to me understanding the phenomenon

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far more deeply and and in all its

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complexity in a way that I'd never come

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to before and would not have come to had

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I not linked up with him and also David

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Jacobs who um was Bud's close friend and

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lived and worked in Philadelphia and uh

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was at the time a professor of history

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at Temple University is now retired but

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all these doors opened June because of

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this uh fortuitous meeting in 2008

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so um that started to be on a journey of

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Investigation into this phenomenon which

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I record in the later chapters of the

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book and uh a whole a whole introduced

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me to a whole load of people whose

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narratives and ideas I weave into the

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later chapters of the book

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so that's the that's a positive history

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of the of the whole thing

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no it's fascinating and we're kind of

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starting going squads but it feels like

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that's been the process for you that

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it's taken until those those later

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stages of you doing the work to realize

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what had happened back in the past

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because as you as you've described you

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had experiences that you would now put

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down to being part of this program or

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phenomenon as a child didn't you yeah

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yeah no a lot of people look kids don't

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realize that if they as an example a

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minority of children

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have consistent

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really aggressive nosebleeds uh when I

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was seven eight nine years old in those

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years I I had violent nosebleeds at

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school

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um in class the blood would come running

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out of one muscle or the other nostril

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or dripping on the desk

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and I became quite notorious for them

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and

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the school called my parents in

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and

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causing this because it was quite

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disruptive in the class my mother said

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to me at the time she said oh I am

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nosebleed as a kid just like you and

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they they just in the end they just

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stopped it's just one of those things

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you know

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uh obviously I know now why she had

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nosebleeds because

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um

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some of your audience will know that

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adapters have implants in put in certain

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parts of their body and one of the Prime

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sites the they use is the uh the

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criboform plate next to the old where

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the olfactory nerve goes into the brain

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it's right at the top of the nasal

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pharynx and when these implants get

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slightly dislodged because you might

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have a sneezing fit or a cold or you

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know over time they haven't been put in

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quite right that they result in

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noticeably it's quite bad quite bad in

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those days that has almost certainly the

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cause of it so none of us knew anything

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about this at the time uh it was just

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that Steve as a kid who has nosebleeds

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and he's it's a really real nuisance and

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we can't stop it they took me to the GP

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and I think we went to a specialist but

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he couldn't recommend anything

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particularly to to stop it so obviously

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the the medical uh specialist they took

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me to weren't particularly you know

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um acquainted with the abduction

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phenomenon because not almost nobody is

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so they could suggest nothing and you

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know no X-rays were taken because

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nothing which might show up on x-ray was

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suspected

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so it wasn't done and you know there

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were other things like night terrors and

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so forth which I had as a child as well

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and um

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um a number of things which

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only in when I was

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um

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when I was 16 years old it did I have a

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real

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memorable alien abduction experience and

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even then I didn't put it down as early

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in the abduction because in 1972 in the

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UK it really wasn't a thing that you I

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mean I think the hill case was known

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about by a tiny minority of the

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population who'd who'd read about these

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things in UFO magazines and maybe

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Antonio's case was known about but it

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was so Fantastical and so in probable

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that nobody really to give that

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um it was only in 1972 so when this

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thing happened to me in 1972 which I

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described in the book in some detail uh

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I didn't have any anything to attach it

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to I just didn't understand it at all

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the the incident in 1972 was happened in

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the summer like when you were texting

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and it involved some of the classic

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Hallmarks of an abduction experience

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including the period of missing time

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yeah I believe it was what around two

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hours two hours and 20 minutes yeah 2020

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minutes yeah uh it was through some of

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the basics yeah yeah I had a compulsion

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about two or three days prior to this to

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a background is I I when I was 16 years

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old I had my first job and I just worked

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the summer holidays in a big uh Nursery

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in Cheshire uh where who grew thousands

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and thousands of rose trees and I worked

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there from month Sunday through to

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Friday uh five days a week in the week

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and a double time on Sunday so you know

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it was worth doing

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um

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yesterday was the only day I didn't go

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to work so I slept in

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and did other things on Saturday

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a couple of days priced that on the

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Thursday night the 20th 20th of July

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1972 I had this

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really strong compulsion

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which they make that makes no sense now

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and made no sense then a really strong

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compulsion to get up on Saturday morning

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because I was supposed to go somewhere

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and you know if I explain that at the

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time and I explain it to many people now

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that it doesn't make any sense to them

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but on Saturday morning I woke up at

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five o'clock and this sun was above the

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Horizon at that time in the morning in

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in summer and I got my clothes on and

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went out

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and I walked about a mile from the house

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we lived in a Suburban neighborhood in

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in Cheshire in uh on the world

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I walked about a mile to West and new

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houses were being built on the

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Greenfield sites

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and I thought as I got there I thought

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okay I'm this is where I'm supposed to

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be what now

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and suddenly it was two hours and 20

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minutes later

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and I was surrounded by

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blue and indigo lights and that that

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part of the spectrum filling the air and

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pulsating and this whooshing in my ears

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and I found myself looking at my

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wristwatch which is with a stratocum

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loose than a hell

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and

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um noticing that 2020 minutes gone by

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was now

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five part States when I arrived at this

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place what seemed like

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Atkins earlier it was quarter to six

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and suddenly it was five part States

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and all these all these things were

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happening

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heard a voice in my head

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um not not in May it's been in my head

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that I was going to forget everything

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that happened this morning and I

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wouldn't remember so I wouldn't even try

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you know you're not going to remember

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anything anyway it was a very sort of

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bored sounding monotonous

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um

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uh completely uninspired uh a voice in

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my head that says you're not going to

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remember any of this so don't don't even

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think about it and

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out and I was inside one of these

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part-built houses which is my three

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courses built so it had walls and and uh

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Timbers between the floors and the roof

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but there was no window paint there was

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no window frames or panes uh there was

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just rectangular holes in the brickwork

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where the windows were to be fitted

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and I was standing in front of one of

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these apertures where the Windows window

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was to be fitted and I looked right in

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front of me about a hundred meters away

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and about 30 meters off the ground was a

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flying saucer

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clear as day

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Associated I've Associated it with his

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whooshing sounds and these blue uh

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Indigo flashing lights all around me and

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this this thing drifted from left to

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right of my vision and it disappeared

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you know right behind the brickwork

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and suddenly

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everything's back to normal

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and I just thought what the hell was

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that you know what was I doing here and

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um

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I decided I'd just walk home you know

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what else was there to do and um

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because it's already after eight o'clock

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and I thought what where's that time

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gone where was I was I was I

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in some sort of coma what was I did that

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pass out or did I just forget everything

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that happened what was that

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and

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I felt my left left cheek was wet damp

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and kind of felt uncomfortable and when

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I got home I looked in the bathroom

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mirror and there was a round circular

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bar the size of a coin uh a large coin

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on the left cheek which was raw and red

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like the skin had been burned

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and um

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I

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over and then it took three months to

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completely disappear now it it healed um

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pretty much in

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alignment in in accordance with how

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you'd expect an injury to heal I have no

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idea where it come from I thought it was

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associated with this weird thing that

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happened on Saturday morning and uh I

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you tend to be quite

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um attentive to your appearance when

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you're 16 years old you tend to be quite

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self-conscious about it yeah but somehow

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I managed not to notice it not to ignore

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it and not pay any attention to it and

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nobody seemed to ask about it and it was

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rough for three months and they've

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eventually the skin flaked off and it

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disappeared

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um the whole experience was

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so incomprehensible and I had nothing to

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explain it or attach it to so I just

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buried it in the back of my mind and

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thought Oh one day maybe I'll understand

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that weird thing that happened on the

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Saturday morning so that's July the 22nd

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but I've got other things to get on with

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now and so so I got on with other things

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you know rock music and playing the

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guitar and uh and uh planning to go to

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university and all the rest of it so and

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since it's kind of pushed into the

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background it did emerge from time to

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time when I gave it some thought and

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specifically won the subject of

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strange things that happen to people you

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know come into the conversation when you

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with a group of mates in a pub or

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something I thought about that and I I

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could never really explain it even to

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myself

556
00:24:08,990 --> 00:24:03,059
with anything that made any kind of

557
00:24:11,630 --> 00:24:09,000
sense so uh it was only in uh 2007 that

558
00:24:12,770 --> 00:24:11,640
it all became obvious what it was priced

559
00:24:14,450 --> 00:24:12,780
that

560
00:24:16,850 --> 00:24:14,460
no

561
00:24:18,409 --> 00:24:16,860
first off thanks for sharing because any

562
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,419
kind of experience like that's very

563
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,400
intimate and that that takes a lot for

564
00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:22,559
anyone to discuss so thank you I just

565
00:24:27,770 --> 00:24:25,140
want to ask so you've grown up with this

566
00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:27,780
experience being there and you've buried

567
00:24:30,649 --> 00:24:29,220
it yourself and you're kind of at the

568
00:24:33,289 --> 00:24:30,659
back of your mind your subconscious

569
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,299
almost did you ever share it with anyone

570
00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:35,760
as you as you grew up even if it was

571
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:37,860
those moments with a mate in the pub and

572
00:24:42,529 --> 00:24:40,320
you've had a few too many or with a

573
00:24:44,990 --> 00:24:42,539
ghetto friend or a wife or whatever a

574
00:24:47,470 --> 00:24:45,000
moment the story came out or almost came

575
00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:47,480
out I may have

576
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,760
told certain parts of it

577
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:53,039
a weird thing happened to me in 1972

578
00:24:59,090 --> 00:24:55,919
when Seven's morning but I can't make

579
00:25:01,130 --> 00:24:59,100
any sense of it but I think of a vague

580
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:01,140
memory not very clear I've ever made

581
00:25:06,649 --> 00:25:04,080
Mary I've seen a flying saucer

582
00:25:11,810 --> 00:25:06,659
and once I said that

583
00:25:14,090 --> 00:25:12,950
you know

584
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,100
um

585
00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:16,320
the disbelief would come out and

586
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:17,940
certainly among some of the audience so

587
00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:19,740
I really stopped mentioning it stop

588
00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:21,059
talking about it because

589
00:25:25,970 --> 00:25:23,460
I have nothing to attach it to and no

590
00:25:28,370 --> 00:25:25,980
could make no sense of it I think maybe

591
00:25:32,269 --> 00:25:28,380
if if I were growing up in the United

592
00:25:34,669 --> 00:25:32,279
States maybe in the 1970s or 1980s it

593
00:25:36,049 --> 00:25:34,679
would have been a little bit more

594
00:25:38,269 --> 00:25:36,059
a little bit more in the public

595
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,279
discourse not a lot but a little bit

596
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:41,039
more on the public discourse but in in

597
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:42,000
um

598
00:25:47,810 --> 00:25:44,640
in provincial England in Northwest

599
00:25:50,450 --> 00:25:47,820
England in 1972

600
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:50,460
that made no sense I can under I can

601
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,659
understand that and you're right that

602
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:53,760
geography and location and time plays a

603
00:25:58,130 --> 00:25:55,919
factor into these conversations and even

604
00:25:59,690 --> 00:25:58,140
people's own religious upbringing can

605
00:26:01,490 --> 00:25:59,700
take up their facts in these kind of

606
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:01,500
discussions absolutely yeah very very

607
00:26:06,590 --> 00:26:04,740
important a lot of people attach uh

608
00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:06,600
their abduction experiences to religion

609
00:26:12,049 --> 00:26:09,900
to religious experiences yeah they do

610
00:26:13,850 --> 00:26:12,059
I've heard you mention and I always like

611
00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:13,860
to shout out where possible on on Howard

612
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,480
Hughes and explained which I'm a fan of

613
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,520
listening to Howard for many years Yeah

614
00:26:21,950 --> 00:26:19,679
you mentioned that missing time isn't

615
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:21,960
actually missing time and that

616
00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:24,480
during the abduction that and I'm just

617
00:26:28,130 --> 00:26:25,799
reading this now so I've got it correct

618
00:26:30,169 --> 00:26:28,140
the memory is removed from the

619
00:26:32,210 --> 00:26:30,179
short-term memory and placed into

620
00:26:35,090 --> 00:26:32,220
long-term memory is that correct that's

621
00:26:38,029 --> 00:26:35,100
what you said yeah I um nobody really

622
00:26:38,750 --> 00:26:38,039
understood this really until

623
00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:38,760
um

624
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:41,820
Dr J David Jacob's got a did a lot of

625
00:26:45,710 --> 00:26:43,020
work on this there's a couple of other

626
00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:45,720
people with tattoo but particularly he

627
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:49,559
the listen to abductees very attentively

628
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:52,880
for many years and you try to it it

629
00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:55,500
because the missing time phenomena was

630
00:27:02,390 --> 00:26:59,580
quite well known that people people

631
00:27:04,610 --> 00:27:02,400
um are walking along uh Country Roads

632
00:27:06,529 --> 00:27:04,620
and suddenly

633
00:27:09,049 --> 00:27:06,539
it's an hour later or it's only two

634
00:27:10,909 --> 00:27:09,059
hours later and they're they're 200

635
00:27:14,269 --> 00:27:10,919
meters long from where they were a

636
00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:14,279
second before or

637
00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:17,100
um a couple as driving in a car

638
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,080
and they see how bright light in the sky

639
00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:21,120
which gets bigger and bigger and they

640
00:27:26,510 --> 00:27:23,820
stopped what they you what they usually

641
00:27:28,010 --> 00:27:26,520
say is we stopped to take a better look

642
00:27:30,529 --> 00:27:28,020
at it

643
00:27:32,210 --> 00:27:30,539
and sometimes they open the doors or the

644
00:27:33,529 --> 00:27:32,220
windows and get out of the car sometimes

645
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:33,539
they don't

646
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,200
but suddenly it's two hours later and

647
00:27:41,090 --> 00:27:39,120
the crafter the the light in the sky is

648
00:27:42,830 --> 00:27:41,100
either gone or is receding

649
00:27:45,769 --> 00:27:42,840
and they wonder what's happened to the

650
00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:45,779
time now what's happened to the time is

651
00:27:52,669 --> 00:27:49,220
you have lived through the time normally

652
00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:52,679
but you have no memory of it that it's

653
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:55,500
it that's the the the title of Bud

654
00:28:02,810 --> 00:27:58,799
Hopkins first book was missing time

655
00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:02,820
this book in 1982 and it's it's been

656
00:28:07,549 --> 00:28:04,740
universally recognized as associated

657
00:28:11,630 --> 00:28:07,559
with the phenomenon as missing time what

658
00:28:13,850 --> 00:28:11,640
they're doing is they have

659
00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:13,860
uh these mind scan procedures where they

660
00:28:21,049 --> 00:28:17,220
can stare into your eyes or one of your

661
00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:21,059
eyes from a couple of centimeters away

662
00:28:26,390 --> 00:28:23,580
and they lock into the optic nerve and

663
00:28:27,769 --> 00:28:26,400
they do something to your neural

664
00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:27,779
neurological

665
00:28:30,289 --> 00:28:28,440
um

666
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:30,299
framework they do something to your

667
00:28:37,930 --> 00:28:34,559
brain where the experience that you've

668
00:28:40,250 --> 00:28:37,940
had is somehow put into long-term memory

669
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,260
taken out of the short-term memory so

670
00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:42,240
that when you

671
00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:44,340
get back home or you know when they've

672
00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:47,400
when they've left all you remember is it

673
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:50,700
was it was uh Harper States and then

674
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,279
suddenly it was half as ten just like

675
00:28:59,630 --> 00:28:55,500
that and the clock in the car said

676
00:29:01,310 --> 00:28:59,640
suddenly it's suddenly happens 10 and we

677
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:01,320
both felt something really weird had

678
00:29:05,690 --> 00:29:04,080
happened to us Uh something's very

679
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,700
strange it happened and we've all felt

680
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,679
very uncomfortable we have no idea when

681
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,080
the time went where the time went is

682
00:29:15,289 --> 00:29:13,200
that you lived it normally but the

683
00:29:17,810 --> 00:29:15,299
memory of it has been put into the

684
00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:17,820
long-term memory where it remains until

685
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:20,580
you develop a technique to access it and

686
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:23,279
and and dig into your long-term memory

687
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,580
and when it it you can retrieve it

688
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,799
um I give quite a lot of time to this in

689
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:30,960
the later chapters of the book how this

690
00:29:36,110 --> 00:29:34,799
works how memory covering recovery works

691
00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:36,120
and

692
00:29:40,850 --> 00:29:38,700
um we're sometimes called hypnosis but

693
00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:40,860
it's not completely accurate it's called

694
00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:43,020
the hypnosis but because you're

695
00:29:45,769 --> 00:29:44,760
retrieving memories from the long-term

696
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:45,779
memory that have been deliberately

697
00:29:50,930 --> 00:29:48,480
buried there

698
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:50,940
let me ask Steve why do you think that

699
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,760
the memory is left there at all it would

700
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:55,679
either to me surely make sense to leave

701
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,360
it in the short term in which case

702
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:59,760
that's up to the experiencer to go ahead

703
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,919
and discuss but why not remove it

704
00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:04,080
completely but

705
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:11,350
people live

706
00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:14,640
abductors I've interviewed uh they say

707
00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:16,620
we

708
00:30:22,970 --> 00:30:20,220
because in the future you're going to

709
00:30:25,250 --> 00:30:22,980
need those uh those memories

710
00:30:27,649 --> 00:30:25,260
of these things that happen to you and

711
00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:27,659
will liberate them from you when the

712
00:30:36,590 --> 00:30:34,250
you've mentioned by topkin's books and

713
00:30:39,049 --> 00:30:36,600
how important it was meeting but and

714
00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:39,059
others face to face and I wonder in

715
00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:41,159
meeting individuals like Bud Hopkins

716
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:43,980
like Peter Robbins discussing these with

717
00:30:48,889 --> 00:30:46,799
Nick Pope what did you learn about your

718
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,899
own experiences and your own abduction

719
00:30:52,669 --> 00:30:51,120
experience that you maybe didn't know

720
00:30:54,610 --> 00:30:52,679
before

721
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:54,620
um

722
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:57,960
well I learned to recognize that that

723
00:31:03,529 --> 00:31:00,480
what had been happening to me

724
00:31:06,049 --> 00:31:03,539
throughout my life was actually pretty

725
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:06,059
normal for abductees

726
00:31:11,810 --> 00:31:09,299
and they weren't unique to me

727
00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:11,820
um they happened to

728
00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:15,000
you know I go into in chapter as I go

729
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:16,919
into how many abductives there might be

730
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,200
in the human population and why that

731
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:21,120
number and what how the

732
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,700
intergenerational aspect of the

733
00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:26,159
phenomenon works and I think there's

734
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:29,700
between 150 million and 400 million

735
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:31,740
people in the local local population who

736
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:34,380
are involved in this and I think at

737
00:31:39,529 --> 00:31:37,679
least 95 of them maybe 98 of them have

738
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:39,539
no idea what's happening to them they

739
00:31:44,210 --> 00:31:42,240
just feel they leave weird lives they

740
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:44,220
lived strange lives they keep quiet

741
00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:45,600
about it

742
00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:47,820
um they live a secret life they never

743
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,240
they can never understand what why their

744
00:31:54,409 --> 00:31:53,279
lives are so strange but they just carry

745
00:31:56,810 --> 00:31:54,419
on

746
00:31:58,669 --> 00:31:56,820
um but I think there's there's that many

747
00:32:00,590 --> 00:31:58,679
people between two and five percent of

748
00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:00,600
the global population are abductees and

749
00:32:08,269 --> 00:32:04,260
I think that because percentages is uh a

750
00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:08,279
significant key to what these abductors

751
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:11,460
are doing and why and and how how

752
00:32:15,529 --> 00:32:13,919
they're conducting this program

753
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:15,539
without going into all that detail

754
00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:17,700
because again the listeners will buy the

755
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:19,260
book and read this for themselves but

756
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:21,720
just to touch on that what what sort of

757
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:23,760
conclusions are you coming to that if

758
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:25,320
there's a program that is deliberately

759
00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:29,640
set up by one or more entities which are

760
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:31,500
technologically faster period and more

761
00:32:36,889 --> 00:32:35,760
advanced than us to to manipulate us as

762
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:36,899
a species

763
00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:38,820
why has this happened in the first place

764
00:32:48,889 --> 00:32:41,940
and and to what end

765
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:51,950
kind of long-term presence here

766
00:32:57,049 --> 00:32:54,799
and they are preparing the ground

767
00:33:00,049 --> 00:32:57,059
extremely thoroughly

768
00:33:01,850 --> 00:33:00,059
um if they're in it you see

769
00:33:05,889 --> 00:33:01,860
I write about in in the Final Chapter

770
00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:05,899
that about the universe it's it's um

771
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:11,340
13.7 to 14 billion uh years old will all

772
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,080
our

773
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,159
astrophysicists and cosmologists tell us

774
00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:15,840
and you know there's there's Confluence

775
00:33:22,490 --> 00:33:19,559
of several proofs that this is the case

776
00:33:26,330 --> 00:33:22,500
um planet Earth and the solar system our

777
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,340
sun and our system is only one third the

778
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:29,039
age of the unit of the known universe so

779
00:33:36,409 --> 00:33:33,120
it's about 4.5 million billion years old

780
00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:36,419
but the Earth is 4.5 billion

781
00:33:40,669 --> 00:33:37,080
um

782
00:33:41,570 --> 00:33:40,679
in the sense of our galaxy there are

783
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:41,580
uh

784
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:45,480
billions or maybe 200 billion star

785
00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:49,919
systems that are three times older than

786
00:33:56,330 --> 00:33:53,460
ours so what's

787
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,340
any life forms who've evolved and

788
00:34:01,490 --> 00:33:58,559
developed on in on those hundreds of

789
00:34:03,289 --> 00:34:01,500
billions of star systems what some of

790
00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:03,299
them the Technologies some of them may

791
00:34:10,190 --> 00:34:05,460
have mastered and developed are

792
00:34:12,829 --> 00:34:11,510
and

793
00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:12,839
think

794
00:34:17,329 --> 00:34:15,780
there's evidence that some of them are

795
00:34:19,250 --> 00:34:17,339
being

796
00:34:21,409 --> 00:34:19,260
the abducting entities that I'm writing

797
00:34:24,109 --> 00:34:21,419
about I've been coming here

798
00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:24,119
certainly since

799
00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:26,760
I think the program started in about

800
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:30,419
1890 or between 1890 and 1900 and I give

801
00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:33,599
I've been quite a lot of evidence to

802
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,580
um the table in the book that that

803
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:37,919
there's to support that you know it's

804
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,119
very it's very specific uh

805
00:34:47,149 --> 00:34:44,159
specifically be getting there and why I

806
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:47,159
think that's that's the case why we may

807
00:34:52,909 --> 00:34:50,639
have had plenty of uh uh Alien

808
00:34:54,530 --> 00:34:52,919
intelligences interacting with us in

809
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:54,540
different ways prior to that but I think

810
00:35:00,170 --> 00:34:57,359
this particular program starts in the in

811
00:35:04,430 --> 00:35:00,180
between 1819 and 1900

812
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:04,440
um and that they planned what they're

813
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:05,520
doing

814
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:09,200
and then what they do they they

815
00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:13,380
took some origin adapters in the early

816
00:35:18,589 --> 00:35:15,960
part of the program and they have

817
00:35:22,089 --> 00:35:18,599
developed the gray aliens which are not

818
00:35:25,550 --> 00:35:22,099
actually the aliens themselves

819
00:35:26,410 --> 00:35:25,560
the gray aliens are actually workers

820
00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:26,420
um

821
00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:29,220
genetically designed and bred to carry

822
00:35:34,270 --> 00:35:31,980
out the program to do the grunt work

823
00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:34,280
and um

824
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,460
they the the program is designed to work

825
00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:40,560
over several Generations three to four

826
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:43,320
generations who knows what they're doing

827
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:45,839
or what they have been doing to the the

828
00:35:51,410 --> 00:35:49,200
adult sea lines I don't really know what

829
00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:51,420
they've been doing to them but there's a

830
00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:53,880
reason why the wishes only we can only

831
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:57,300
speculate about the reasons why they

832
00:36:03,470 --> 00:36:00,720
take the children of equities and their

833
00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:03,480
children and their children or not

834
00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:06,300
necessarily all the children but some of

835
00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:07,020
them

836
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:08,700
essentially abducted in their children

837
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:11,880
and their children so for for every one

838
00:36:17,810 --> 00:36:15,119
uh on earth now who's an abductee who's

839
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:17,820
having abduction experiences

840
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:20,880
you can pretty much guarantee that one

841
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:22,740
of their parents or both

842
00:36:28,910 --> 00:36:26,460
and one of their grandparents or more

843
00:36:31,069 --> 00:36:28,920
and one of their great-grandparents was

844
00:36:33,710 --> 00:36:31,079
in the program and they they they're

845
00:36:37,150 --> 00:36:33,720
following this genetic line

846
00:36:39,290 --> 00:36:37,160
and that's how that's how it's done

847
00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:39,300
in your life

848
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,930
uh really

849
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:53,270
really dealing with areas of speculation

850
00:36:56,329 --> 00:36:54,720
I like that I know that that's fair

851
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:56,339
enough it's obviously there's obviously

852
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,599
for some reason

853
00:37:02,210 --> 00:37:00,240
to them where they do it

854
00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:02,220
that way

855
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:03,900
was it a time in your life you feel

856
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,200
these events had slowed or or finally

857
00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:09,599
stopped completely for you

858
00:37:13,490 --> 00:37:10,920
good question

859
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:13,500
um I've

860
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:16,800
had fewer incidents the last couple of

861
00:37:22,130 --> 00:37:19,440
years but I've had some moderately

862
00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:22,140
serious health issues in the 60s

863
00:37:25,550 --> 00:37:24,540
um nothing has finished me off but um

864
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:25,560
you know

865
00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:27,000
the things that rather hadn't happened

866
00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:28,740
but

867
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:31,380
um many other teams in their 60s and 70s

868
00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:36,000
say that the interval between events

869
00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:37,859
spaces out

870
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:41,700
um there's a guy called Bob Jacobs who's

871
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,880
a US ex USA earth guy do you know who he

872
00:37:49,550 --> 00:37:46,160
is

873
00:37:51,010 --> 00:37:49,560
yeah he was involved in um

874
00:37:54,490 --> 00:37:51,020
um the Malmstrom

875
00:37:58,490 --> 00:37:54,500
uh incidents in the 1960s

876
00:38:01,550 --> 00:37:58,500
he was part of the film crew that filmed

877
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:01,560
um uh an intercontinental ballistic

878
00:38:07,790 --> 00:38:04,560
missile test over the Pacific Ocean

879
00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:07,800
hundreds of miles away with a very high

880
00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:09,540
intensity cameras where which was

881
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,640
attacked

882
00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:12,960
and

883
00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:15,960
um monitored by uh a classic Flying

884
00:38:19,970 --> 00:38:18,060
Saucer you know that one of the the kind

885
00:38:23,089 --> 00:38:19,980
of Dome shape with it

886
00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:23,099
you know the classic source of shape

887
00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:25,740
um and it's caught on film and the Air

888
00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:27,540
Force confiscated the film and you know

889
00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:30,359
there's there's a whole story behind

890
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:32,700
that but Bob's now

891
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:36,720
just over 80 and he's still having

892
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:40,980
that he I'm not um giving away any

893
00:38:43,609 --> 00:38:41,640
um

894
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:43,619
confidential information now because Bob

895
00:38:48,589 --> 00:38:46,320
wrote a book with co-wrote a book with

896
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:48,599
Robert Hastings was a close friend of

897
00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:49,920
mine

898
00:38:55,370 --> 00:38:52,140
um called confession which was published

899
00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:55,380
in 2019 Bob is writes the second half of

900
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:57,480
the book and Robert Hastings wrote the

901
00:39:02,450 --> 00:38:58,680
first Alpha book

902
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:02,460
Bob Jacobs says in his 80s he's still

903
00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:04,880
having incidents and he's still having

904
00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:10,380
uh nighttime a year in abductions the

905
00:39:15,470 --> 00:39:13,380
scar is body and so forth and and you

906
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:15,480
know produce marks on this on his skin

907
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:18,060
so he's in his 80s and it's still going

908
00:39:20,450 --> 00:39:19,440
on with him

909
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:20,460
um

910
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:23,520
with me it doesn't seem to be as

911
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:25,619
prevalent or as frequent as it used to

912
00:39:29,390 --> 00:39:26,760
be

913
00:39:30,589 --> 00:39:29,400
I will say that but I had an event

914
00:39:35,089 --> 00:39:30,599
um

915
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:35,099
uh two notable events last year

916
00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:39,300
and one or one very significant event

917
00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:42,119
the year before maybe there may have

918
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:43,740
been more abductions that are not

919
00:39:49,849 --> 00:39:46,800
remembered but um one of these events

920
00:39:52,910 --> 00:39:49,859
last year results in the coughing out uh

921
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:52,920
what I think was an implant in the in

922
00:39:56,930 --> 00:39:53,820
their

923
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:56,940
top part of the nose and that they bled

924
00:40:02,630 --> 00:39:59,520
for 24 hours when that implant without

925
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:02,640
was out and after several weeks I've got

926
00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:05,760
the dates in the book what the the the X

927
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:08,460
X bar of the uh exposure of the implant

928
00:40:15,230 --> 00:40:09,920
was in February

929
00:40:17,569 --> 00:40:15,240
2022 and the um uh the replacement was

930
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:17,579
in April 2022 when they they obviously

931
00:40:21,770 --> 00:40:19,260
discovered that it wasn't transmitting

932
00:40:23,230 --> 00:40:21,780
anymore and they put it back and also

933
00:40:26,410 --> 00:40:23,240
when they put it back

934
00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:26,420
I don't know speed for 24 hours so

935
00:40:31,849 --> 00:40:28,740
that's still going on

936
00:40:34,270 --> 00:40:31,859
and uh the year before I had

937
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,280
um a nighttime event which resulted in

938
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,480
the classic

939
00:40:41,329 --> 00:40:39,119
um equilateral triangle of puncture

940
00:40:42,829 --> 00:40:41,339
marks on my left arm which I woke up in

941
00:40:45,890 --> 00:40:42,839
the middle of the night and I could feel

942
00:40:48,650 --> 00:40:45,900
fill the wet wets on the left arm and I

943
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:48,660
went in the kitchen to see what what

944
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:51,839
happened and had these three equilateral

945
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,560
puncture marks on my left arm so they're

946
00:41:00,650 --> 00:40:57,839
still going on and I'm I'm in my 60s now

947
00:41:03,410 --> 00:41:00,660
but they don't seem to be as frequent as

948
00:41:05,569 --> 00:41:03,420
they were when I was younger no

949
00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:05,579
we talk about these beings and

950
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:08,820
visitations being far more advanced than

951
00:41:14,050 --> 00:41:11,280
we are yet some of the medical

952
00:41:16,609 --> 00:41:14,060
procedures seem still quite

953
00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:16,619
barbaric or rough don't they but if you

954
00:41:20,450 --> 00:41:18,359
watch Star Trek the the original series

955
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,460
or the Next Generation in Deep Space

956
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,560
Nine all the medical procedures are

957
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,960
painless and small injection guns in

958
00:41:29,150 --> 00:41:26,400
your neck a little yeah little puff of

959
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:29,160
air in that so you're cured yet it still

960
00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:33,000
sounds quite quite brutal what these

961
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,060
beings came to do in terms of procedures

962
00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:39,359
they yeah they do it does I

963
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:43,560
you see I I don't really speculate about

964
00:41:47,390 --> 00:41:45,000
about

965
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:47,400
how a future

966
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,240
um

967
00:41:53,329 --> 00:41:50,640
an extremely Advanced race might might

968
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:53,339
deal with medicine or what they're

969
00:41:57,950 --> 00:41:55,440
actually doing to their human expertise

970
00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:57,960
but you you just have to say the

971
00:42:03,230 --> 00:41:59,640
evidence is that they do what they do

972
00:42:06,109 --> 00:42:03,240
and maybe they that's the only way they

973
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:06,119
can do it or they you know that's the

974
00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:08,280
most painless and non-intrusive way

975
00:42:11,569 --> 00:42:10,140
they've they've found but that's what

976
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,579
they do

977
00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:13,920
um when they take little chunks of your

978
00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:18,359
tissue um scoop marks I mean you've seen

979
00:42:24,290 --> 00:42:21,420
the scoop Mark Sandy um in the

980
00:42:28,970 --> 00:42:24,300
um yeah but you've probably seen them in

981
00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:28,980
the in the UFO literature yeah so that's

982
00:42:33,470 --> 00:42:30,780
what they do um

983
00:42:36,010 --> 00:42:33,480
you think you know a Star Trek like

984
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,020
Civilization wouldn't have to do that

985
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:39,359
they might have a more subtle way of uh

986
00:42:44,990 --> 00:42:42,240
of sampling you but that's what they do

987
00:42:46,970 --> 00:42:45,000
so you just have to say the evidence is

988
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:46,980
that they do these things because we

989
00:42:51,230 --> 00:42:49,380
have the evidence in front of us

990
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,240
what I would love to ask you then Steve

991
00:42:54,829 --> 00:42:53,040
I appreciate you know you don't want to

992
00:42:56,750 --> 00:42:54,839
speculate because without knowing it

993
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,760
would just be that just that pure

994
00:43:02,270 --> 00:42:59,280
speculation but to to look at the

995
00:43:04,190 --> 00:43:02,280
evidence that's there yeah it would have

996
00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:04,200
to indicate that and many people like to

997
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,940
talk about these other beings as being

998
00:43:09,770 --> 00:43:08,160
very much loving light or very peaceful

999
00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:09,780
very harmonious

1000
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:13,020
but for me it reminds me of how the

1001
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,359
human species treats other species we

1002
00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:18,000
see as lesser and inferior to us even if

1003
00:43:22,490 --> 00:43:20,280
it comes to animal testing that you know

1004
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,500
we're going to do our best to be what we

1005
00:43:26,089 --> 00:43:24,480
would call Humane but it's still going

1006
00:43:28,970 --> 00:43:26,099
to leave a mark it's still going to be

1007
00:43:31,309 --> 00:43:28,980
traumatic and we have to do it for some

1008
00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:31,319
other greater good would that is that

1009
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:34,020
something you thought about yourself yes

1010
00:43:38,809 --> 00:43:35,160
um

1011
00:43:43,849 --> 00:43:41,750
mean there may be beings who are full of

1012
00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:43,859
light and benevolence

1013
00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:47,160
uh who visitors and who interact with us

1014
00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:51,660
but the abducting entities are here in

1015
00:43:56,990 --> 00:43:54,180
very large numbers

1016
00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:57,000
and there's a big program and it's

1017
00:44:03,650 --> 00:44:01,319
structured over a century or or more

1018
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:03,660
and it's it's obviously invested in

1019
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,640
enormous amount of resources into this

1020
00:44:09,290 --> 00:44:07,680
and um

1021
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,300
I I

1022
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:11,760
write in the book that's you know is

1023
00:44:17,329 --> 00:44:14,160
there any evidence that the human race

1024
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,339
is not the first time they've done this

1025
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:19,680
I mean there is evidence that the human

1026
00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:21,420
that this is not the first time they've

1027
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,980
done this

1028
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,200
um we won't go into all that now but

1029
00:44:28,490 --> 00:44:26,880
there is evidence

1030
00:44:31,849 --> 00:44:28,500
um so

1031
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:31,859
then they well be and I I'm really

1032
00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:33,420
confident there are

1033
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,260
other alien civilizations it which

1034
00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:39,359
occasionally perhaps frequently visitors

1035
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,900
but they're not in the numbers that of

1036
00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:44,880
these entities that

1037
00:44:47,690 --> 00:44:45,480
um

1038
00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:47,700
uh Prosecuting the abduction program

1039
00:44:54,170 --> 00:44:51,900
this is an enormous uh Enterprise and as

1040
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,180
a numerous amount of resources invested

1041
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:56,400
in it

1042
00:45:00,829 --> 00:44:58,680
and your time researching your own

1043
00:45:02,809 --> 00:45:00,839
experiences and speaking to others I

1044
00:45:05,569 --> 00:45:02,819
wonder have you ever come across cases

1045
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:05,579
where people have been abducted but

1046
00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:19,790
Lancashire I can't remember its name the

1047
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:22,380
the top ordinances what is the guy's

1048
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,660
name is police officer about 20 years

1049
00:45:32,329 --> 00:45:29,630
you may not know it but Gary hesseltine

1050
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:32,339
knows this guy yeah but yeah but he

1051
00:45:37,130 --> 00:45:34,200
investigates the case as a police

1052
00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:37,140
officer where somebody

1053
00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:40,980
was killed and dumped on top of a large

1054
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:43,980
rubbish dump and it was all it's all

1055
00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:46,560
very involved

1056
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:48,839
he

1057
00:45:57,950 --> 00:45:54,720
of occult ceremony or something but it

1058
00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:57,960
may have been strongly uh linked to the

1059
00:46:03,530 --> 00:46:01,380
abduction phone but I I I don't know of

1060
00:46:05,569 --> 00:46:03,540
any personally but I I believe there

1061
00:46:08,510 --> 00:46:05,579
there are cases in the literature that

1062
00:46:11,329 --> 00:46:08,520
that um rare cases that may happen

1063
00:46:13,609 --> 00:46:11,339
anyway they happen nonetheless yes

1064
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:13,619
I've just been watching recently the

1065
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,260
David pallides missing 4-1-1 the UFO

1066
00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:18,240
connection yeah and obviously that that

1067
00:46:23,930 --> 00:46:21,180
whole series looks at missing persons

1068
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,940
but particularly with a focus on the UFO

1069
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,680
subject obviously for the last one and

1070
00:46:30,410 --> 00:46:28,319
some very interesting cases within that

1071
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,420
um I'd love to ask and this was one

1072
00:46:35,530 --> 00:46:32,640
actually I wrote just before you came on

1073
00:46:38,569 --> 00:46:35,540
Steve the title of the book out of time

1074
00:46:41,089 --> 00:46:38,579
is that written to be taken multiple

1075
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,099
different ways because I read it from

1076
00:46:46,609 --> 00:46:43,200
from the first time I saw the title out

1077
00:46:48,589 --> 00:46:46,619
of time that these beings come from out

1078
00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:48,599
with our timeline or out with time

1079
00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:50,760
itself but then when you read the book

1080
00:46:55,069 --> 00:46:52,380
not to spoil things you know what can be

1081
00:46:56,210 --> 00:46:55,079
taken as we have run out of time and I

1082
00:46:59,530 --> 00:46:56,220
just wondered is that was that

1083
00:47:05,329 --> 00:47:02,210
with more than one meaning one with more

1084
00:47:07,010 --> 00:47:05,339
than one nuanced meaning

1085
00:47:08,210 --> 00:47:07,020
the only other title I seriously

1086
00:47:10,730 --> 00:47:08,220
considered for the book when I was

1087
00:47:13,069 --> 00:47:10,740
writing the manuscript was the

1088
00:47:15,470 --> 00:47:13,079
unbelieved

1089
00:47:19,069 --> 00:47:15,480
which would focus on the attitude to

1090
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:19,079
abductees who have these experiences

1091
00:47:23,569 --> 00:47:21,660
um the out of time won out in the end

1092
00:47:25,490 --> 00:47:23,579
yeah

1093
00:47:27,290 --> 00:47:25,500
I like it and like I say I just purely

1094
00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:27,300
from my own point of view I'd always

1095
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,160
read it one way and just before you came

1096
00:47:33,470 --> 00:47:31,440
on I thought actually thinking back is

1097
00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:33,480
that yeah so I like it and what I want

1098
00:47:37,970 --> 00:47:36,359
to do is there are lots of aspects that

1099
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,980
I've not touched on yet because I got

1100
00:47:42,589 --> 00:47:39,839
some fantastic listener questions in

1101
00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:42,599
some of them might be related to ideas

1102
00:47:45,470 --> 00:47:44,280
in the book some of them are just more

1103
00:47:47,329 --> 00:47:45,480
putting them out there for your

1104
00:47:49,309 --> 00:47:47,339
consideration but I'll get through some

1105
00:47:50,930 --> 00:47:49,319
of these before we finish up

1106
00:47:53,089 --> 00:47:50,940
um so a couple of questions from regular

1107
00:47:54,530 --> 00:47:53,099
contributor Dave smethurst thanks again

1108
00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:54,540
Dave for sending in the list that you

1109
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,180
did I'll ask a few of these are there

1110
00:48:01,370 --> 00:47:59,520
any common factors in abductions that

1111
00:48:03,530 --> 00:48:01,380
suggest people are taken to any

1112
00:48:05,809 --> 00:48:03,540
underground facilities or bases

1113
00:48:09,710 --> 00:48:05,819
supporting the idea potentially that

1114
00:48:11,089 --> 00:48:09,720
Ultra terrestrials would be responsible

1115
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:11,099
hi Dave

1116
00:48:18,349 --> 00:48:15,119
um I know of some abductees including

1117
00:48:20,450 --> 00:48:18,359
one uh who doesn't live far from you but

1118
00:48:22,609 --> 00:48:20,460
I wouldn't identify him

1119
00:48:25,490 --> 00:48:22,619
um who's um

1120
00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:25,500
a senior police officer who claims that

1121
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:29,220
this has happened to him and he is

1122
00:48:35,809 --> 00:48:33,359
really quite compelling evidence that it

1123
00:48:37,809 --> 00:48:35,819
probably did and he's quite a good

1124
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:37,819
artist he's drawn some of these

1125
00:48:43,849 --> 00:48:40,800
scenarios that he's he's been involved

1126
00:48:46,609 --> 00:48:43,859
in uh none of this is is in in my book

1127
00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:46,619
by the way but I I have this this stuff

1128
00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:48,300
on file

1129
00:48:51,890 --> 00:48:49,140
um

1130
00:48:57,050 --> 00:48:51,900
I think it's comparatively unusual for

1131
00:49:00,410 --> 00:48:57,060
abductees to be taken to uh

1132
00:49:01,550 --> 00:49:00,420
underground facilities or you know some

1133
00:49:02,809 --> 00:49:01,560
something

1134
00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:02,819
um

1135
00:49:07,790 --> 00:49:04,680
I don't know whether

1136
00:49:10,250 --> 00:49:07,800
if these things actually happen

1137
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:10,260
um if there are

1138
00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:12,180
non

1139
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:15,240
slang saucer environments that the

1140
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:17,520
abjects are taken to which you know make

1141
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:18,480
many

1142
00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:21,119
well a minority of Advocates say they

1143
00:49:24,650 --> 00:49:21,900
are

1144
00:49:25,490 --> 00:49:24,660
I don't know whether that's

1145
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,500
um

1146
00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:27,359
whether these

1147
00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:32,040
are created by the abducting entities

1148
00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:33,900
which who which are extraterrestrial

1149
00:49:37,309 --> 00:49:35,940
they would just have faces under the

1150
00:49:40,730 --> 00:49:37,319
ocean or whatever

1151
00:49:42,530 --> 00:49:40,740
or whether there are other other beings

1152
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,540
involved I really just don't know about

1153
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:45,119
that it's it's comparatively unusual

1154
00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:48,000
when you I've interviewed

1155
00:49:53,150 --> 00:49:51,540
40 or 50 adapters without giving them

1156
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,160
names or pseudonyms in the book I just

1157
00:49:57,470 --> 00:49:56,160
weave their narratives into the into the

1158
00:49:58,329 --> 00:49:57,480
text

1159
00:50:05,210 --> 00:49:58,339
um

1160
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:05,220
I and none only this one adity that uh

1161
00:50:12,530 --> 00:50:09,359
that I I mentioned uh has ever discussed

1162
00:50:16,730 --> 00:50:12,540
such a such a scenario with me but he

1163
00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:16,740
claims that Not only was he taken to a

1164
00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:19,260
mind like a mine shaft

1165
00:50:24,589 --> 00:50:22,260
uh but he met two other adapters there

1166
00:50:26,210 --> 00:50:24,599
that he's read about and identified

1167
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,220
through the literature because they

1168
00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:28,319
wrote These two advocacies wrote a book

1169
00:50:32,030 --> 00:50:30,540
called confession um

1170
00:50:33,710 --> 00:50:32,040
connections

1171
00:50:38,329 --> 00:50:33,720
uh course

1172
00:50:41,329 --> 00:50:38,339
Uganda he reckoned he met them uh years

1173
00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:41,339
before they wrote the book and he I he

1174
00:50:45,470 --> 00:50:43,980
identified them very precisely as to who

1175
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:45,480
they are what they look like

1176
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:49,200
so yes these things do

1177
00:50:55,250 --> 00:50:53,040
do seem to happen to some people yes

1178
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,260
I wonder in your own research if you've

1179
00:50:58,849 --> 00:50:57,359
come across that and you may know if you

1180
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:58,859
move your own experience that might be

1181
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,440
more difficult is it a feeling that you

1182
00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:03,359
do leave the planet when you're taken

1183
00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:05,160
because we hear different abductees talk

1184
00:51:09,770 --> 00:51:07,380
about being taken into deep outer space

1185
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:09,780
some of them say they literally remained

1186
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:11,400
in a craft above the field they were

1187
00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:14,160
taken and others they don't know and I

1188
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,660
just wonder is there a is there a

1189
00:51:19,730 --> 00:51:17,280
pattern to that or any incline you've

1190
00:51:20,450 --> 00:51:19,740
had Steve good question

1191
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,460
um

1192
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,800
I don't know because I've never been

1193
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,480
able to look out of a window

1194
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,880
and they never tell me they never tell

1195
00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:29,280
me where we are you know in relation to

1196
00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:30,780
the rest of the universe we're just in

1197
00:51:36,349 --> 00:51:33,420
this enclosed space and they're focusing

1198
00:51:39,170 --> 00:51:36,359
on my physiology or my brain that's it

1199
00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:39,180
and then we're taken back

1200
00:51:44,329 --> 00:51:40,260
um

1201
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:44,339
so uh I honestly don't know about that I

1202
00:51:49,069 --> 00:51:47,760
mean I know some abductees claim to be

1203
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:49,079
have been

1204
00:51:56,329 --> 00:51:52,440
around the moon and uh I I claim to to

1205
00:51:58,849 --> 00:51:56,339
you know Fly Above uh uh you know very

1206
00:52:01,250 --> 00:51:58,859
very high in the atmosphere

1207
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:01,260
um I myself have no

1208
00:52:06,049 --> 00:52:03,839
recollection of those kind of details

1209
00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:06,059
but some abductees have very clear

1210
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:07,800
recollection of

1211
00:52:13,069 --> 00:52:10,800
another party that a party of

1212
00:52:15,530 --> 00:52:13,079
researchers and investigators who were

1213
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,540
out with Chris Bledsoe report that they

1214
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,520
were taken to basically a station on the

1215
00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:20,160
moon and come back but they don't really

1216
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,200
talk about it so yeah very interesting

1217
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:24,720
and Dave also asks have you noticed any

1218
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:27,359
direct connections to cattle mutilations

1219
00:52:41,630 --> 00:52:39,530
[Music]

1220
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:41,640
when I was

1221
00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:43,040
14

1222
00:52:51,049 --> 00:52:48,300
in rural Southern Southwest Island I was

1223
00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:51,059
taken to see a capital mutilation

1224
00:52:55,370 --> 00:52:53,339
um on a farm I was saying as

1225
00:52:57,890 --> 00:52:55,380
and I

1226
00:53:00,770 --> 00:52:57,900
as as with the

1227
00:53:03,890 --> 00:53:00,780
um Abduction of 1972 I could make no

1228
00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:03,900
sense of this it but what this this cow

1229
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,300
I was taken there at nine o'clock in the

1230
00:53:12,370 --> 00:53:08,960
morning just after breakfast and

1231
00:53:14,990 --> 00:53:12,380
a fully adult cow which was

1232
00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:15,000
uh valued by the farmers a very good

1233
00:53:18,530 --> 00:53:17,220
milker because you know this there were

1234
00:53:20,690 --> 00:53:18,540
rural Irish Farmers they weren't

1235
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:20,700
particularly well off

1236
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,240
um was lying on its back with its legs

1237
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,640
sticking up in the air like this

1238
00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:28,800
and it kind of excuse me it's a kind of

1239
00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:30,420
angle

1240
00:53:35,870 --> 00:53:33,300
uh rigid or all for its legs were rigid

1241
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,880
and one of parts of its jaw bone had

1242
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,440
been removed and one of his ears had

1243
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,880
been cut off and one of his eyes have

1244
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:40,800
been gouged out so it was it was a big

1245
00:53:47,690 --> 00:53:44,400
red hole it was like cauterized

1246
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:47,700
um and I it's back end it's whole anal

1247
00:53:53,809 --> 00:53:50,880
rectal area and it's uh birth canal was

1248
00:53:56,329 --> 00:53:53,819
kind of cut out as like a cylinder uh

1249
00:53:58,190 --> 00:53:56,339
with very very very thorough surgery

1250
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:58,200
there was no blood on the ground

1251
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:02,160
anywhere and the Vets had been called

1252
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:05,280
and the Vets proclaimed this cow had

1253
00:54:10,370 --> 00:54:08,400
died of anthrax

1254
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,380
I would imagine that the vet had to give

1255
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:12,720
some kind of diagnosis he had absolutely

1256
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:15,119
no idea what he was looking at and he so

1257
00:54:20,569 --> 00:54:17,520
he told the farmer it's Anthrax this car

1258
00:54:23,930 --> 00:54:20,579
calcite of Anthrax now you may know that

1259
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:23,940
Anthrax is uh not a contagious disease

1260
00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:27,900
but it's the sports are extremely

1261
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:30,780
fastidious and yeah

1262
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:31,440
um

1263
00:54:36,650 --> 00:54:35,520
if Anthrax is suspected or diagnosed in

1264
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:36,660
any animal

1265
00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:38,000
human

1266
00:54:45,710 --> 00:54:43,020
the region let alone the the locality is

1267
00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:45,720
usually evacuated

1268
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:48,540
it's extremely rare and it's extremely

1269
00:54:53,210 --> 00:54:49,980
serious

1270
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:53,220
um so that wasn't done

1271
00:54:59,450 --> 00:54:57,119
and I think the vet probably just told

1272
00:55:01,250 --> 00:54:59,460
the farmer this because he has seen the

1273
00:55:05,809 --> 00:55:01,260
farmer would have no no acquaintance

1274
00:55:08,030 --> 00:55:05,819
with Anthrax didn't really know what its

1275
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,040
symptoms were but knew it was extremely

1276
00:55:12,410 --> 00:55:10,559
rare and he had to give some explanation

1277
00:55:14,569 --> 00:55:12,420
as to what how this cow died because

1278
00:55:17,870 --> 00:55:14,579
that was that was his professional job

1279
00:55:21,170 --> 00:55:17,880
to explain how his car died

1280
00:55:23,450 --> 00:55:21,180
um so what was the question about a

1281
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,460
capital mutilations and abductions

1282
00:55:28,670 --> 00:55:25,200
yeah do you see any Direct

1283
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,680
Communications between those well

1284
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,480
in my case

1285
00:55:35,630 --> 00:55:32,400
um I was the abductee of one of the

1286
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:35,640
expertise of the family and I

1287
00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:36,480
um

1288
00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:38,040
I was taken to this to see this

1289
00:55:42,349 --> 00:55:40,800
cattlemutulation and it was only in the

1290
00:55:44,829 --> 00:55:42,359
19

1291
00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:44,839
90s that I

1292
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:48,540
recognized uh when I watched Linda house

1293
00:55:53,569 --> 00:55:49,920
documentary

1294
00:55:57,370 --> 00:55:53,579
um strange Harvest I looked at these

1295
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:57,380
cows in Colorado and in Utah and and in

1296
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:00,720
Montana and so forth and said

1297
00:56:07,490 --> 00:56:04,559
those animals are exactly what I saw in

1298
00:56:10,250 --> 00:56:07,500
Ireland in 1970s 17. they were exactly

1299
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:10,260
mutilated exactly the same as that

1300
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,660
and that's when I began to wonder

1301
00:56:19,370 --> 00:56:14,640
whether

1302
00:56:22,370 --> 00:56:19,380
um I was the maybe you know I've seen a

1303
00:56:26,030 --> 00:56:22,380
very rare not maybe the first mutilation

1304
00:56:27,170 --> 00:56:26,040
uh in Islands or in the British Arts at

1305
00:56:29,930 --> 00:56:27,180
that time

1306
00:56:32,210 --> 00:56:29,940
I I'm not sure

1307
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:32,220
how it fits in with what the abductors

1308
00:56:38,450 --> 00:56:36,000
are doing if if it is then the the those

1309
00:56:41,150 --> 00:56:38,460
uh those entities are responsible for

1310
00:56:42,890 --> 00:56:41,160
the cattle mutilations somebody is

1311
00:56:45,049 --> 00:56:42,900
responsible for them and it's It's

1312
00:56:48,349 --> 00:56:45,059
associated with

1313
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:48,359
unidentified flying objects and with

1314
00:56:54,190 --> 00:56:51,359
activity of UFOs

1315
00:56:56,270 --> 00:56:54,200
and it's not been explained away

1316
00:56:57,530 --> 00:56:56,280
effectively as anything else I mean as

1317
00:57:00,349 --> 00:56:57,540
you probably know

1318
00:57:03,049 --> 00:57:00,359
a lot of these cows have found uh

1319
00:57:05,450 --> 00:57:03,059
dropped from high up and they land in

1320
00:57:07,069 --> 00:57:05,460
trees with their legs sticking up in the

1321
00:57:09,530 --> 00:57:07,079
air and these kind of things so

1322
00:57:11,450 --> 00:57:09,540
obviously you know it's not the idea of

1323
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:11,460
predators or coyotes or something like

1324
00:57:15,230 --> 00:57:12,319
that is

1325
00:57:16,849 --> 00:57:15,240
is ridiculous I mean also Ireland

1326
00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:16,859
doesn't have any doesn't have any

1327
00:57:19,849 --> 00:57:18,540
natural predators that could kill and

1328
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:19,859
eat cattle

1329
00:57:25,790 --> 00:57:21,839
so um

1330
00:57:28,670 --> 00:57:25,800
how it links with the abduction subjects

1331
00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:28,680
I actually don't know how it works but

1332
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:30,420
it is it's one

1333
00:57:33,290 --> 00:57:31,680
yes

1334
00:57:34,730 --> 00:57:33,300
I was going to say just one more from

1335
00:57:36,589 --> 00:57:34,740
Dave because he's got a few different

1336
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,599
topics here to discuss

1337
00:57:41,089 --> 00:57:38,400
um and Dave did send about 15 questions

1338
00:57:41,710 --> 00:57:41,099
so I'm just going with a three from them

1339
00:57:47,329 --> 00:57:41,720
um

1340
00:57:49,849 --> 00:57:47,339
hybrid breeding program we hear these

1341
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:49,859
stories often about human women being

1342
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,260
taken to meet their hybrid children Dave

1343
00:57:56,930 --> 00:57:54,960
personally feels it's very out there and

1344
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:56,940
maybe a bit much but have you come

1345
00:58:02,569 --> 00:57:59,760
across this yes it is very out there yes

1346
00:58:05,150 --> 00:58:02,579
I have come across it yes I have met

1347
00:58:06,410 --> 00:58:05,160
female adjectives that have been through

1348
00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:06,420
this process

1349
00:58:12,049 --> 00:58:09,420
it's a thing it actually is a real thing

1350
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:12,059
and it's furthermore it's it's a core

1351
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:14,400
part of the program

1352
00:58:19,609 --> 00:58:17,280
um I don't go into this that much in the

1353
00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:19,619
book because

1354
00:58:28,250 --> 00:58:22,440
I I I'll step back a couple of of

1355
00:58:34,790 --> 00:58:31,730
introduce the alien abduction

1356
00:58:37,370 --> 00:58:34,800
phenomenon as a real thing with hard

1357
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:37,380
scientific medical evidence

1358
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:39,359
key with the the bodily scarring and

1359
00:58:44,569 --> 00:58:42,480
implants and so forth to uh

1360
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,579
practical or

1361
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:46,559
not particularly interested in the

1362
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,240
audience that's just a little bit

1363
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:50,400
curious about it maybe they've they've

1364
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:53,280
come across it on uh TV documentaries or

1365
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,500
on the Internet and they there's just

1366
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:57,359
some acquaintance with it but they they

1367
00:59:02,390 --> 00:58:59,280
think it's all

1368
00:59:04,490 --> 00:59:02,400
strange and something that's you know

1369
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:04,500
might be real might not be a bit all a

1370
00:59:08,930 --> 00:59:06,960
bit strange but I don't go into the

1371
00:59:11,210 --> 00:59:08,940
hybrid breeding program in my book

1372
00:59:13,849 --> 00:59:11,220
because I think that would be a bit of a

1373
00:59:15,470 --> 00:59:13,859
stretch for the intended audience of the

1374
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:15,480
book but

1375
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:16,799
um I do

1376
00:59:21,770 --> 00:59:19,680
have an entire chapter on it but at a

1377
00:59:25,970 --> 00:59:21,780
very introductory level

1378
00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:25,980
and I I write what adaptives reports and

1379
00:59:30,650 --> 00:59:28,200
multiple adjectives from multiple places

1380
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:30,660
and multiple times and there's a

1381
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:33,599
consistency of the the reports that are

1382
00:59:40,190 --> 00:59:35,040
very compelling

1383
00:59:42,410 --> 00:59:40,200
and uh that that does seem to be a very

1384
00:59:45,490 --> 00:59:42,420
Central feature of the abduction program

1385
00:59:49,130 --> 00:59:45,500
that they plan to

1386
00:59:51,890 --> 00:59:49,140
have a permanent presence here

1387
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:51,900
and the way their presence will be

1388
00:59:58,970 --> 00:59:54,319
manifest will be

1389
01:00:02,569 --> 00:59:58,980
from beings that look and sound exactly

1390
01:00:04,370 --> 01:00:02,579
like us they're 99.9 human but there's a

1391
01:00:05,630 --> 01:00:04,380
little bit in there that is from the

1392
01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:05,640
aliens

1393
01:00:11,870 --> 01:00:09,180
and I don't really uh make a big thing

1394
01:00:13,609 --> 01:00:11,880
out of this but I do introduce it as a

1395
01:00:17,329 --> 01:00:13,619
definite theme in the later chapters

1396
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:17,339
that's one of the the uh the motivations

1397
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:20,160
of a program

1398
01:00:24,049 --> 01:00:22,799
a couple of questions from Ryan Terry so

1399
01:00:25,549 --> 01:00:24,059
thanks Ryan

1400
01:00:27,890 --> 01:00:25,559
um have you found any commonality

1401
01:00:30,349 --> 01:00:27,900
between abductees traits that could shed

1402
01:00:32,690 --> 01:00:30,359
light on what the overall plan is the be

1403
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:32,700
it you know a blood type or a disorder

1404
01:00:38,990 --> 01:00:35,760
of some kind genetically maybe yeah

1405
01:00:42,109 --> 01:00:39,000
um personally no there's been a lot of

1406
01:00:44,210 --> 01:00:42,119
speculation about this uh

1407
01:00:46,370 --> 01:00:44,220
the reason I haven't found it is

1408
01:00:48,349 --> 01:00:46,380
probably because I haven't looked for it

1409
01:00:50,510 --> 01:00:48,359
and I haven't

1410
01:00:53,390 --> 01:00:50,520
um examined

1411
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:53,400
you know a lot of claims and ideas about

1412
01:00:59,690 --> 01:00:56,160
this I I don't

1413
01:01:00,349 --> 01:00:59,700
find much uh one of them is the things

1414
01:01:02,030 --> 01:01:00,359
um

1415
01:01:04,910 --> 01:01:02,040
that was mentioned a few years ago was

1416
01:01:07,309 --> 01:01:04,920
or our adopties seem to have a resource

1417
01:01:09,530 --> 01:01:07,319
negative blood type is that is that

1418
01:01:11,329 --> 01:01:09,540
you've come across that that's that's

1419
01:01:20,510 --> 01:01:11,339
come up here because my my mom has that

1420
01:01:26,930 --> 01:01:24,410
so why that would necessarily

1421
01:01:29,089 --> 01:01:26,940
Mark you out as different but it doesn't

1422
01:01:31,390 --> 01:01:29,099
it doesn't really seem to have a lot of

1423
01:01:35,089 --> 01:01:31,400
substance in it

1424
01:01:36,530 --> 01:01:35,099
there may be other things

1425
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:36,540
yeah there may be something that no

1426
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:39,680
one's even thought of yet

1427
01:01:46,089 --> 01:01:42,960
could to them what I do

1428
01:01:50,030 --> 01:01:46,099
after three which is titled the program

1429
01:01:53,210 --> 01:01:50,040
I have a list of 35 different things

1430
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:53,220
that abductees reports happens to them

1431
01:01:58,490 --> 01:01:56,160
uh or report about their lives

1432
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:58,500
some of which are physiological

1433
01:02:03,230 --> 01:02:01,200
and some of which are psychological and

1434
01:02:05,150 --> 01:02:03,240
some of which are just weird things that

1435
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:05,160
with weird things that happen around me

1436
01:02:12,109 --> 01:02:08,400
like like uh Bright Lights flying around

1437
01:02:13,789 --> 01:02:12,119
the home and um you know able to

1438
01:02:17,089 --> 01:02:13,799
occasionally understand what other

1439
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:17,099
people thinking uh which which um which

1440
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:19,200
is associated with uh recent abduction

1441
01:02:22,670 --> 01:02:21,599
activity and so forth but

1442
01:02:25,849 --> 01:02:22,680
um

1443
01:02:29,089 --> 01:02:25,859
whether adjectives have very

1444
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:29,099
definitely detectable

1445
01:02:34,910 --> 01:02:32,160
medical markers of that kind I'm

1446
01:02:37,730 --> 01:02:34,920
I'm not sure I would necessarily go that

1447
01:02:41,150 --> 01:02:37,740
far I really don't know

1448
01:02:43,609 --> 01:02:41,160
no thanks Ryan also asks can abductees

1449
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,619
sense and plants in each other so either

1450
01:02:46,910 --> 01:02:45,119
yourself have you ever come across

1451
01:02:54,349 --> 01:02:46,920
someone and you've thought you can tell

1452
01:02:58,190 --> 01:02:56,809
yep yeah

1453
01:03:00,770 --> 01:02:58,200
um have you ever interviewed it by the

1454
01:03:03,950 --> 01:03:00,780
way no no

1455
01:03:06,049 --> 01:03:03,960
she claims she can sense

1456
01:03:07,490 --> 01:03:06,059
things and other amputees she says she

1457
01:03:09,770 --> 01:03:07,500
could see it in their eyes

1458
01:03:12,650 --> 01:03:09,780
and the ability population is about 1 in

1459
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:12,660
25 of the human race

1460
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:16,319
um but I as far as

1461
01:03:22,010 --> 01:03:17,520
um

1462
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:22,020
as far as I'm concerned no

1463
01:03:26,089 --> 01:03:24,240
let me ask on that Stephen I've left

1464
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:26,099
this off till now I was going to ask in

1465
01:03:29,390 --> 01:03:27,359
the body of the interview if it was

1466
01:03:31,250 --> 01:03:29,400
relevant but I want to ask now coming

1467
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:31,260
from I'll put my devil's advocate hat on

1468
01:03:34,910 --> 01:03:33,359
my skeptical hat on for a moment

1469
01:03:36,530 --> 01:03:34,920
and this would come up in general

1470
01:03:37,789 --> 01:03:36,540
conversation I'm sure if you had this

1471
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:37,799
conversation with a member of the

1472
01:03:42,170 --> 01:03:39,359
general public with no interest in the

1473
01:03:45,289 --> 01:03:42,180
UFO subject if you claim to have an

1474
01:03:47,569 --> 01:03:45,299
implant of any kind yeah what's stopping

1475
01:03:49,970 --> 01:03:47,579
you now going to

1476
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:49,980
a a doctor surgery privately or

1477
01:03:54,530 --> 01:03:51,839
otherwise and saying that I want this

1478
01:03:58,849 --> 01:03:54,540
taken out removed and studied yeah

1479
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:00,530
uh

1480
01:04:10,130 --> 01:04:08,400
yes and I've been messaging him for a

1481
01:04:11,089 --> 01:04:10,140
while he should be on the podcast pretty

1482
01:04:16,970 --> 01:04:11,099
soon

1483
01:04:22,490 --> 01:04:20,450
Terry had him plants in his knee

1484
01:04:25,730 --> 01:04:22,500
I think in in one of his one of his

1485
01:04:29,089 --> 01:04:25,740
knees really big complicated implants

1486
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:29,099
that's relatively uncommon

1487
01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:32,160
because uh it's fairly easy to access

1488
01:04:35,030 --> 01:04:34,319
surgically

1489
01:04:38,270 --> 01:04:35,040
um

1490
01:04:41,809 --> 01:04:38,280
most Advocates who have implants or who

1491
01:04:43,069 --> 01:04:41,819
know they have implants they're the

1492
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:43,079
um

1493
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,520
olfactory nerve goes into the brain

1494
01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:49,920
which we already already mentioned it or

1495
01:04:55,309 --> 01:04:52,559
sometimes in the ears now nobody really

1496
01:04:58,250 --> 01:04:55,319
knows how they put them in ears some

1497
01:05:00,109 --> 01:04:58,260
abjects say they've got a very extremely

1498
01:05:02,510 --> 01:05:00,119
thin needle that goes into the ear

1499
01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:02,520
somehow that would you think that would

1500
01:05:06,770 --> 01:05:03,660
be

1501
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:06,780
um would involve puncturing the eardrum

1502
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,079
but a lot of advocacies just say they

1503
01:05:14,450 --> 01:05:12,480
have a ringing sound in the ear

1504
01:05:18,109 --> 01:05:14,460
um for several seconds duration each day

1505
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:18,119
Robert Hastings tells us uh he's got an

1506
01:05:24,650 --> 01:05:20,960
error implant which rings for 10 seconds

1507
01:05:26,510 --> 01:05:24,660
uh and then stops each day or you know

1508
01:05:28,010 --> 01:05:26,520
every every few days and it's very

1509
01:05:29,630 --> 01:05:28,020
specific about this because he's timed

1510
01:05:32,750 --> 01:05:29,640
it

1511
01:05:34,490 --> 01:05:32,760
um some abductees uh you know Betty

1512
01:05:37,730 --> 01:05:34,500
Andreas was

1513
01:05:39,650 --> 01:05:37,740
or 10 right you know Ted writes who was

1514
01:05:40,180 --> 01:05:39,660
the subjects of one of Carla Turner's

1515
01:05:42,430 --> 01:05:40,190
books

1516
01:05:46,010 --> 01:05:42,440
[Music]

1517
01:05:47,870 --> 01:05:46,020
yeah he was subject to the other book

1518
01:05:49,549 --> 01:05:47,880
collar Turner wrote called masquerade of

1519
01:05:53,030 --> 01:05:49,559
angels

1520
01:05:56,270 --> 01:05:53,040
um both Ted and Betty Andresen who who

1521
01:05:59,690 --> 01:05:56,280
better passed on last year

1522
01:06:02,510 --> 01:05:59,700
claim that during an abduction one of

1523
01:06:04,609 --> 01:06:02,520
their eyeballs was removed and an abduct

1524
01:06:07,490 --> 01:06:04,619
and an implant was placed inside the

1525
01:06:10,609 --> 01:06:07,500
brain and then the eye was put back

1526
01:06:12,049 --> 01:06:10,619
which has immensely improbable you know

1527
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:12,059
from a medical point of view but that's

1528
01:06:17,089 --> 01:06:13,440
what they say and that's what a lot of

1529
01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:17,099
advocacies claim has happened to them so

1530
01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:19,380
the point of that is a lot of implants

1531
01:06:25,069 --> 01:06:22,440
in the head which is the primary source

1532
01:06:28,190 --> 01:06:25,079
of implants are extremely difficult to

1533
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:28,200
detect an extremely difficult or

1534
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:30,240
impossible to remove and they're they're

1535
01:06:36,589 --> 01:06:33,119
a tiny um

1536
01:06:38,809 --> 01:06:36,599
like a grain of sand or a a cantaloupe

1537
01:06:43,130 --> 01:06:38,819
seed and they are

1538
01:06:44,329 --> 01:06:43,140
I've got a um a 60 page analysis of an

1539
01:06:46,450 --> 01:06:44,339
implant

1540
01:06:49,730 --> 01:06:46,460
in my book

1541
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:49,740
from a materials scientist called Steve

1542
01:06:57,230 --> 01:06:53,760
Colburn who published the report in 2009

1543
01:07:00,349 --> 01:06:57,240
and they're extremely sophisticated

1544
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:00,359
um devices that they're they're

1545
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:03,839
um biologically they're made up of uh

1546
01:07:09,710 --> 01:07:06,319
protein coagulant

1547
01:07:11,569 --> 01:07:09,720
hemosiderin and keratin keratin as you

1548
01:07:13,010 --> 01:07:11,579
know is the primary substance in hair

1549
01:07:16,730 --> 01:07:13,020
and nails

1550
01:07:18,109 --> 01:07:16,740
and he was cidering is to do with tissue

1551
01:07:21,049 --> 01:07:18,119
aspiration and

1552
01:07:24,589 --> 01:07:21,059
um protein coagulum works for the body's

1553
01:07:27,289 --> 01:07:24,599
thrombocytes so it their biological

1554
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:27,299
material probably harvested from the

1555
01:07:31,010 --> 01:07:28,559
same abductee that they're they're

1556
01:07:32,270 --> 01:07:31,020
placed that that the influences that is

1557
01:07:34,609 --> 01:07:32,280
then placed in

1558
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,619
and so they're completely compatible

1559
01:07:38,829 --> 01:07:36,480
with the body and the body has no

1560
01:07:42,589 --> 01:07:38,839
inflammatory response to them at all

1561
01:07:44,210 --> 01:07:42,599
which means that Advocates have no

1562
01:07:46,250 --> 01:07:44,220
reaction to them if they're placed

1563
01:07:48,410 --> 01:07:46,260
inside the body they it the body

1564
01:07:52,190 --> 01:07:48,420
recognizes it as part of their own

1565
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:52,200
biological material and the the core of

1566
01:07:56,089 --> 01:07:55,440
these uh devices

1567
01:07:57,970 --> 01:07:56,099
um

1568
01:08:01,130 --> 01:07:57,980
is

1569
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:01,140
involves carbon nanotubes tiny little

1570
01:08:05,150 --> 01:08:04,079
carbon nanotubes just a few molecules in

1571
01:08:08,930 --> 01:08:05,160
thickness

1572
01:08:11,930 --> 01:08:08,940
and they they emit uh radio waves and

1573
01:08:15,170 --> 01:08:11,940
three different frequency bands

1574
01:08:17,390 --> 01:08:15,180
um a lot is known about them but

1575
01:08:19,130 --> 01:08:17,400
removing one

1576
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:19,140
assessing one in for identifying and

1577
01:08:23,209 --> 01:08:20,880
removing one is next an extremely

1578
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:23,219
sophisticated process there was

1579
01:08:28,130 --> 01:08:24,000
um

1580
01:08:30,349 --> 01:08:28,140
they was a code podiatrist podiatric

1581
01:08:32,209 --> 01:08:30,359
surgeons Southern California called Dr

1582
01:08:35,630 --> 01:08:32,219
Roger Lear which many of your audience

1583
01:08:39,709 --> 01:08:35,640
will know who he was he died in 2014 and

1584
01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:39,719
he removed 19 implants but Roger removed

1585
01:08:43,150 --> 01:08:41,160
them mainly from the legs and feet

1586
01:08:46,130 --> 01:08:43,160
because he was a

1587
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:46,140
podiatrist a podiatric surgeon whereas

1588
01:08:50,749 --> 01:08:48,480
the more complex interesting ones are

1589
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:50,759
usually placed in the brain the idea

1590
01:08:55,490 --> 01:08:53,759
that you can go to a GP in the UK as an

1591
01:08:59,809 --> 01:08:55,500
example it's particularly you know with

1592
01:09:02,150 --> 01:08:59,819
the the NHS is uh in the in its current

1593
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,160
set of Crisis and say that you think

1594
01:09:07,550 --> 01:09:04,080
you've got an alien implant in your nose

1595
01:09:11,329 --> 01:09:07,560
yeah and can you could they please uh

1596
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:11,339
remove it I think you are likely to get

1597
01:09:15,709 --> 01:09:13,920
a certain amount of incredulity

1598
01:09:18,169 --> 01:09:15,719
to be greeted by saying about saying

1599
01:09:20,090 --> 01:09:18,179
incredulity most of the time it's not

1600
01:09:21,410 --> 01:09:20,100
something I'm personally prepared to do

1601
01:09:25,130 --> 01:09:21,420
because

1602
01:09:26,510 --> 01:09:25,140
um it's so in immensely improbable the

1603
01:09:29,390 --> 01:09:26,520
whole phenomenon is so immensely

1604
01:09:32,269 --> 01:09:29,400
improbable and the medical fraternity by

1605
01:09:34,010 --> 01:09:32,279
and large has little or no acquaintance

1606
01:09:35,570 --> 01:09:34,020
with it so you've got to start from

1607
01:09:37,970 --> 01:09:35,580
square one if you're talking about this

1608
01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:37,980
with anybody in the medical world um if

1609
01:09:42,050 --> 01:09:40,140
you get a sympathetic medical doctor who

1610
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,060
really has studied it and looked into it

1611
01:09:46,849 --> 01:09:44,880
uh if anybody knows of one or any in the

1612
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:46,859
UK could you please get in touch with me

1613
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:48,719
let me know and I'd like to link up with

1614
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:49,440
them

1615
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:52,560
that's absolutely I don't know

1616
01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:54,719
yeah if any listeners do then they're

1617
01:09:57,530 --> 01:09:55,980
very good at that please get in touch

1618
01:09:59,709 --> 01:09:57,540
and I can pass those details on to

1619
01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:59,719
Stephen

1620
01:10:10,010 --> 01:10:02,400
Ryan also asks is there going to be an

1621
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:14,950
I think probably not it is uh Ryan

1622
01:10:19,729 --> 01:10:17,760
visually impaired or has problems with

1623
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:19,739
breathing or because some people do I I

1624
01:10:24,110 --> 01:10:22,080
don't I don't believe so but I just know

1625
01:10:26,209 --> 01:10:24,120
it's a more and more popular it comes up

1626
01:10:27,649 --> 01:10:26,219
quite often when uh guests come on and

1627
01:10:29,450 --> 01:10:27,659
they mention the books and I don't

1628
01:10:31,550 --> 01:10:29,460
mention an audio book it comes up quite

1629
01:10:35,630 --> 01:10:31,560
frequently still considering it but it's

1630
01:10:37,010 --> 01:10:35,640
a big project to have either me or or a

1631
01:10:40,189 --> 01:10:37,020
professional reader read it out it's

1632
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:40,199
going to be expensive uh to produce and

1633
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:43,199
I'm not really sure uh what the size of

1634
01:10:46,850 --> 01:10:44,880
the audience would be what you know the

1635
01:10:49,610 --> 01:10:46,860
size of the market should be so it's not

1636
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:49,620
something I've done so far or have any

1637
01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:52,560
imminent plans to do but if if the book

1638
01:10:56,990 --> 01:10:54,360
gathers

1639
01:10:58,669 --> 01:10:57,000
um popularity I probably will eventually

1640
01:11:00,169 --> 01:10:58,679
do it yeah

1641
01:11:01,550 --> 01:11:00,179
well like I would say folks if you're

1642
01:11:03,229 --> 01:11:01,560
going to pick up a copy which I know

1643
01:11:05,209 --> 01:11:03,239
many of you will and you're very good at

1644
01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:05,219
picking up the guest books uh make sure

1645
01:11:08,450 --> 01:11:06,719
you leave reviews on the websites as

1646
01:11:10,130 --> 01:11:08,460
well so as you can see it as being read

1647
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:10,140
picked up and it's it's very well

1648
01:11:14,090 --> 01:11:12,239
reviewed already on Amazon

1649
01:11:15,709 --> 01:11:14,100
um the audio books are gathering more

1650
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:15,719
and more popularity with the the

1651
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:18,000
generations as they are so yeah I'm a

1652
01:11:21,770 --> 01:11:18,960
little bit old school I like the

1653
01:11:23,450 --> 01:11:21,780
physical copy um but yeah um I would

1654
01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:23,460
offer to do it for you Steve but there's

1655
01:11:27,410 --> 01:11:25,260
not much market for a strong Scottish

1656
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:27,420
accent

1657
01:11:30,649 --> 01:11:29,040
um there'd be a lot more complaints and

1658
01:11:33,050 --> 01:11:30,659
refunds being requested that a lack of

1659
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:33,060
understanding what was being said

1660
01:11:35,390 --> 01:11:34,320
um last couple of questions Steve

1661
01:11:37,070 --> 01:11:35,400
because you've been really generous with

1662
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:37,080
your time and you've touched on this one

1663
01:11:42,350 --> 01:11:39,120
slightly but this is from a very good

1664
01:11:44,510 --> 01:11:42,360
listener nurses uh he asks are you aware

1665
01:11:46,910 --> 01:11:44,520
of any family abduction cases that go

1666
01:11:50,930 --> 01:11:46,920
back even anecdotally through three or

1667
01:11:53,630 --> 01:11:50,940
more Generations prior to the 1940s

1668
01:11:54,770 --> 01:11:53,640
well

1669
01:11:58,090 --> 01:11:54,780
um

1670
01:12:02,030 --> 01:11:58,100
short answers no but my grandmother

1671
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:02,040
was abducted all throughout her life she

1672
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:04,320
was born in 1908.

1673
01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:06,560
and she died in

1674
01:12:12,050 --> 01:12:10,620
1968 at age 16 at a heart you know heart

1675
01:12:12,890 --> 01:12:12,060
problem

1676
01:12:16,850 --> 01:12:12,900
um

1677
01:12:19,390 --> 01:12:16,860
she was definitely involved in this from

1678
01:12:24,770 --> 01:12:19,400
from infancy

1679
01:12:28,810 --> 01:12:24,780
but she cloated in the folk tales

1680
01:12:31,130 --> 01:12:28,820
very occult sort of

1681
01:12:32,750 --> 01:12:31,140
explanations that were that were

1682
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:32,760
prevalent at the time you know she grew

1683
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:35,280
up in West Yorkshire as a farmer's

1684
01:12:40,370 --> 01:12:37,199
daughter and she she married a carpenter

1685
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,380
and she lived in in a small Village near

1686
01:12:45,649 --> 01:12:42,480
Bradford and West Yorkshire and she had

1687
01:12:47,870 --> 01:12:45,659
no education after age 14 or 15 when she

1688
01:12:49,729 --> 01:12:47,880
left school and she never went to

1689
01:12:51,770 --> 01:12:49,739
college and she just didn't know

1690
01:12:54,830 --> 01:12:51,780
anything about astronomy or cosmology or

1691
01:12:58,250 --> 01:12:54,840
anything like that so she she had a very

1692
01:13:00,950 --> 01:12:58,260
limited uh perception of what might be

1693
01:13:03,410 --> 01:13:00,960
the causative agency of this thing

1694
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:03,420
and was that something that potentially

1695
01:13:07,970 --> 01:13:05,760
went back father again with her parents

1696
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:07,980
it was out of a topic that came up to

1697
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:09,600
you well

1698
01:13:13,310 --> 01:13:11,280
something we haven't mentioned during

1699
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:13,320
this interview but which I do mention in

1700
01:13:17,330 --> 01:13:14,400
a very

1701
01:13:18,350 --> 01:13:17,340
first few pages of the book

1702
01:13:20,510 --> 01:13:18,360
of

1703
01:13:23,450 --> 01:13:20,520
when I first worked out that these

1704
01:13:26,330 --> 01:13:23,460
abducting entities can communicate with

1705
01:13:29,090 --> 01:13:26,340
you and you can communicate with them

1706
01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:29,100
and telepathically somehow you're you're

1707
01:13:34,490 --> 01:13:31,500
you can talk to them telepathically just

1708
01:13:36,410 --> 01:13:34,500
as much as they can talk to you when I

1709
01:13:38,570 --> 01:13:36,420
worked out that we I could actually ask

1710
01:13:41,330 --> 01:13:38,580
some questions

1711
01:13:43,970 --> 01:13:41,340
I asked one of them when I was about 10

1712
01:13:46,010 --> 01:13:43,980
or 11 years old probably 10 years old

1713
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:46,020
because I remember the house we lived in

1714
01:13:51,470 --> 01:13:49,260
at the time I remember the the oh

1715
01:13:53,570 --> 01:13:51,480
where I was abducted from

1716
01:13:55,550 --> 01:13:53,580
that's one of them why are you doing

1717
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:55,560
this to me you know I was very

1718
01:14:01,370 --> 01:13:59,040
respectful and being a kid you know in

1719
01:14:04,010 --> 01:14:01,380
the 1960s you you kind of was fairly

1720
01:14:06,890 --> 01:14:04,020
respectful of authority and uh that they

1721
01:14:08,990 --> 01:14:06,900
seem to be in charge of you so I didn't

1722
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:09,000
Rebel and kick and scream against them

1723
01:14:13,850 --> 01:14:11,360
so much I just

1724
01:14:15,290 --> 01:14:13,860
accepted in some way what they were

1725
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:15,300
doing I said why

1726
01:14:20,030 --> 01:14:18,239
why am I being chosen for this why is

1727
01:14:24,530 --> 01:14:20,040
this happening to me

1728
01:14:27,169 --> 01:14:24,540
and he said it's because of your mother

1729
01:14:28,250 --> 01:14:27,179
and your grandmother and your great

1730
01:14:31,010 --> 01:14:28,260
grandmother

1731
01:14:32,570 --> 01:14:31,020
and you're the next one in my mind

1732
01:14:36,110 --> 01:14:32,580
and he just carried on with what he was

1733
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:36,120
doing and I I never forgot that the the

1734
01:14:41,870 --> 01:14:37,920
him saying something

1735
01:14:44,810 --> 01:14:41,880
I imagine he said it because he assumed

1736
01:14:47,209 --> 01:14:44,820
that that would be buried and forgotten

1737
01:14:48,890 --> 01:14:47,219
but it came back to me as an adult but I

1738
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:48,900
remembered him saying that so I remember

1739
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:51,780
the circumstances in which there was uh

1740
01:14:55,910 --> 01:14:53,760
that was that I was telling that my

1741
01:14:58,669 --> 01:14:55,920
grand my great-grandmother was born in

1742
01:15:02,930 --> 01:14:58,679
1873.

1743
01:15:06,649 --> 01:15:02,940
and so I think she was probably one of

1744
01:15:09,890 --> 01:15:06,659
the origin entities and if so

1745
01:15:12,770 --> 01:15:09,900
in 1890 she would have been 17.

1746
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:12,780
which is the

1747
01:15:17,149 --> 01:15:15,120
um the start of the reproductive years

1748
01:15:19,130 --> 01:15:17,159
for a woman I mean particularly 100

1749
01:15:21,410 --> 01:15:19,140
years ago you know when people reached

1750
01:15:24,050 --> 01:15:21,420
sexual maturity a bit later than they do

1751
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:24,060
now for all kinds of reasons

1752
01:15:28,669 --> 01:15:26,640
um so that's the start of uh of uh

1753
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:28,679
at the reproductive

1754
01:15:35,090 --> 01:15:31,520
life of an adult and

1755
01:15:39,470 --> 01:15:35,100
there's something in the book that I

1756
01:15:42,709 --> 01:15:39,480
write about in the Final Chapter about a

1757
01:15:45,290 --> 01:15:42,719
Turkish abductee called um

1758
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:45,300
faradas who I've known for about 20

1759
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:49,199
years and she

1760
01:15:54,490 --> 01:15:52,320
um she now lives in Istanbul and she

1761
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:54,500
wrote it in her and one of her

1762
01:15:58,910 --> 01:15:56,640
autobiographical books she wrote a story

1763
01:16:01,310 --> 01:15:58,920
about her great-grandfather a guy called

1764
01:16:03,169 --> 01:16:01,320
Eamon refik who was a lecturer at

1765
01:16:07,790 --> 01:16:03,179
Istanbul University

1766
01:16:11,709 --> 01:16:07,800
uh in the 1890s just says the 1890s

1767
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:11,719
uh who described being

1768
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:17,280
uh visited at night and Paralyzed by two

1769
01:16:24,110 --> 01:16:21,600
huge reptilian entities who talked to

1770
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:24,120
him in talked to the the adity in his

1771
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:28,320
mind and explained to him that he was

1772
01:16:32,570 --> 01:16:31,199
being chosen for something and it it

1773
01:16:35,689 --> 01:16:32,580
would be

1774
01:16:38,090 --> 01:16:35,699
um from you to they said from you to

1775
01:16:41,810 --> 01:16:38,100
three generations

1776
01:16:44,450 --> 01:16:41,820
and they left in the morning now this I

1777
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:44,460
quote a little chunk of this book this

1778
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:48,480
uh text uh in in my book and pharah's uh

1779
01:16:52,910 --> 01:16:49,920
given me permission to do that because

1780
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:52,920
it's absolutely pertinent to the the the

1781
01:16:56,930 --> 01:16:54,320
the the

1782
01:16:59,330 --> 01:16:56,940
thesis that this thing starts in the

1783
01:17:02,689 --> 01:16:59,340
1890s and all the uh origin adapters

1784
01:17:05,450 --> 01:17:02,699
were chosen in that decade and they were

1785
01:17:07,550 --> 01:17:05,460
chosen as young adults

1786
01:17:10,370 --> 01:17:07,560
the only origin entities were young

1787
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:10,380
adults and from their progeny the

1788
01:17:14,750 --> 01:17:12,239
program started

1789
01:17:16,970 --> 01:17:14,760
so that's about as far back as it goes

1790
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:16,980
and my great grandmother my

1791
01:17:22,189 --> 01:17:20,400
great-grandmother who the I was told uh

1792
01:17:25,490 --> 01:17:22,199
in 1966

1793
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:25,500
I was told that uh it was to do with her

1794
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:28,880
and her daughter and her daughter and me

1795
01:17:32,990 --> 01:17:31,440
uh in line

1796
01:17:40,370 --> 01:17:33,000
um

1797
01:17:43,010 --> 01:17:40,380
time scale of this

1798
01:17:44,810 --> 01:17:43,020
thesis yet

1799
01:17:47,209 --> 01:17:44,820
and I would ask if you ever heard the

1800
01:17:50,030 --> 01:17:47,219
idea that if these objects experience or

1801
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:50,040
these entities experience time in a

1802
01:17:54,050 --> 01:17:52,560
different way to how we do that for your

1803
01:17:56,209 --> 01:17:54,060
family from your great grandmother

1804
01:17:59,810 --> 01:17:56,219
that's been 150 years potentially of

1805
01:18:01,490 --> 01:17:59,820
experiences that for them it's not 150

1806
01:18:03,709 --> 01:18:01,500
years and that could all happen within

1807
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:03,719
the space of a few days because they can

1808
01:18:08,930 --> 01:18:05,280
literally come in and out the timeline

1809
01:18:10,850 --> 01:18:08,940
and your experiences to them happen over

1810
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:10,860
minutes or hours

1811
01:18:16,130 --> 01:18:14,400
don't know if that's true I I'm not sure

1812
01:18:18,890 --> 01:18:16,140
I can buy into that but it might be the

1813
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:18,900
case you know there's more things we

1814
01:18:22,490 --> 01:18:21,600
don't know than things we do know

1815
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:22,500
um

1816
01:18:26,570 --> 01:18:24,960
it's

1817
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:26,580
I think

1818
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:29,120
both the alien the abductors themselves

1819
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:32,880
and the gray aliens who is there slaves

1820
01:18:37,250 --> 01:18:35,040
basically they're genetically created

1821
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:37,260
servants so to carry out the program

1822
01:18:41,930 --> 01:18:40,560
that are largely carry out the program

1823
01:18:45,229 --> 01:18:41,940
um I think they have

1824
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:45,239
extremely long lifespans probably more

1825
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:48,000
than a human lifespan uh gray aliens

1826
01:18:54,590 --> 01:18:51,840
probably have a lifespan

1827
01:18:57,290 --> 01:18:54,600
at least as long as a long lived human

1828
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:57,300
maybe it may be a century and the the

1829
01:19:02,330 --> 01:18:59,760
origin the the uh the abductors

1830
01:19:04,010 --> 01:19:02,340
themselves are yet the true aliens we

1831
01:19:05,930 --> 01:19:04,020
don't know how long they live but it

1832
01:19:08,330 --> 01:19:05,940
could be centuries

1833
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:08,340
and it they think they might live

1834
01:19:12,410 --> 01:19:09,840
through time

1835
01:19:14,270 --> 01:19:12,420
there my experienced time exactly as we

1836
01:19:16,850 --> 01:19:14,280
experience it it's just that they live

1837
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:16,860
such a long time

1838
01:19:21,770 --> 01:19:19,440
we don't know final question Steve uh

1839
01:19:23,930 --> 01:19:21,780
from David over on YouTube he asks

1840
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:23,940
thanks to Dr Gary Nolan coming out

1841
01:19:28,189 --> 01:19:25,920
recently we know that there are people

1842
01:19:29,689 --> 01:19:28,199
especially military personnel who are

1843
01:19:31,850 --> 01:19:29,699
suffering brain damage or physical

1844
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:31,860
alterations after coming into contact

1845
01:19:37,130 --> 01:19:34,560
with UFOs is this something that you

1846
01:19:39,890 --> 01:19:37,140
have come across either personally or or

1847
01:19:44,390 --> 01:19:39,900
through speaking to other abductees

1848
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:44,400
brain damage and uh not not to that's

1849
01:19:47,870 --> 01:19:45,600
greener

1850
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:47,880
but I mean people's abductive

1851
01:19:52,370 --> 01:19:49,440
psychologically scarred and they're

1852
01:19:56,209 --> 01:19:52,380
physically scarred in Fairly minor ways

1853
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:56,219
but you know some of the uh scarring is

1854
01:20:02,209 --> 01:20:00,239
quite noticeable and quite disfiguring

1855
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:02,219
um but

1856
01:20:08,450 --> 01:20:05,520
from what you're just from what your

1857
01:20:11,209 --> 01:20:08,460
Gary Nolan is discussing I have no

1858
01:20:13,370 --> 01:20:11,219
personal acquaintance with that no

1859
01:20:17,930 --> 01:20:15,290
if you interview Terry Lovelace you'll

1860
01:20:20,270 --> 01:20:17,940
you'll find out a lot more about this

1861
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:20,280
yeah I think when with Gary's work

1862
01:20:23,630 --> 01:20:21,840
especially from what we know at the

1863
01:20:25,490 --> 01:20:23,640
moment it seems to be when people come

1864
01:20:28,490 --> 01:20:25,500
into contact with the outside of these

1865
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:28,500
crafts yes in close proximity yes as

1866
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:30,480
opposed to this doesn't seem to happen

1867
01:20:33,770 --> 01:20:31,920
and people are taking on board the

1868
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:33,780
crafts directly

1869
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:36,000
so something to do with the propulsion

1870
01:20:40,910 --> 01:20:38,159
system or the you know what what's

1871
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:40,920
uh Technologies in is deployed yeah move

1872
01:20:44,030 --> 01:20:42,000
around

1873
01:20:46,130 --> 01:20:44,040
um there's a number of cases of classic

1874
01:20:48,649 --> 01:20:46,140
cases in the UFO literature

1875
01:20:52,010 --> 01:20:48,659
um there's a guy in uh

1876
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:52,020
in uh one of the Midwestern states in

1877
01:20:59,450 --> 01:20:56,400
the United States decades ago who had uh

1878
01:21:02,270 --> 01:20:59,460
mocks like a grid all over his chest and

1879
01:21:04,729 --> 01:21:02,280
he was really badly burned uh by coming

1880
01:21:06,290 --> 01:21:04,739
into contact with the unidentified find

1881
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:06,300
out do you know that case I don't

1882
01:21:12,729 --> 01:21:08,159
remember the guy's name now oh I've not

1883
01:21:17,870 --> 01:21:15,649
one of those places you know uh he was

1884
01:21:22,189 --> 01:21:17,880
out hunting and uh he encountered a

1885
01:21:26,270 --> 01:21:22,199
flying saucer and uh when it took off it

1886
01:21:27,890 --> 01:21:26,280
it burnt him uh it and it really badly

1887
01:21:31,010 --> 01:21:27,900
um

1888
01:21:35,209 --> 01:21:31,020
Terry Lovelace and his buddy who had

1889
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:35,219
their uh 1977 abduction in uh in a

1890
01:21:40,870 --> 01:21:37,679
a Devil's Den uh National Park in

1891
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:40,880
Arkansas they both had

1892
01:21:46,430 --> 01:21:43,920
uh blistering and burns all over their

1893
01:21:47,930 --> 01:21:46,440
bodies from head to foot after that

1894
01:21:50,270 --> 01:21:47,940
experience yeah

1895
01:21:52,430 --> 01:21:50,280
so that yeah that is the head thing it

1896
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:52,440
really happens here

1897
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:54,480
well Weston Steve I want to ask you one

1898
01:21:58,970 --> 01:21:56,400
more question as we wrap up uh when the

1899
01:22:00,770 --> 01:21:58,980
listeners buy a copy of out of time what

1900
01:22:02,270 --> 01:22:00,780
do you hope they take away from at the

1901
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:02,280
end

1902
01:22:07,070 --> 01:22:04,800
what do I hope

1903
01:22:11,870 --> 01:22:07,080
yeah

1904
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:11,880
um you'll get a thesis about uh the

1905
01:22:14,930 --> 01:22:12,960
abduction

1906
01:22:17,930 --> 01:22:14,940
phenomenon

1907
01:22:21,229 --> 01:22:17,940
all essential parts of it which are

1908
01:22:22,610 --> 01:22:21,239
fairly concrete and incontroversible the

1909
01:22:26,030 --> 01:22:22,620
medical evidence

1910
01:22:29,390 --> 01:22:26,040
is extremely thorough something we

1911
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:29,400
didn't go into in an interview was

1912
01:22:35,930 --> 01:22:31,920
in uh

1913
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:35,940
2015 an abduction happened in my house

1914
01:22:40,850 --> 01:22:39,120
and the following day my wife found

1915
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:40,860
a hair

1916
01:22:45,169 --> 01:22:42,320
this long

1917
01:22:46,729 --> 01:22:45,179
uh what which we thought was a blonde

1918
01:22:49,070 --> 01:22:46,739
gray or gray hair

1919
01:22:51,050 --> 01:22:49,080
under the dining table which didn't

1920
01:22:53,149 --> 01:22:51,060
belong to either of us because my wife's

1921
01:22:55,250 --> 01:22:53,159
a redhead Irish woman and I you know you

1922
01:22:57,790 --> 01:22:55,260
can see how long my hair is

1923
01:23:01,850 --> 01:22:57,800
and a hair an identical hair was found

1924
01:23:04,430 --> 01:23:01,860
outside the patio doors on the patio in

1925
01:23:08,030 --> 01:23:04,440
the garden and these two hairs were

1926
01:23:10,729 --> 01:23:08,040
subsequently analyzed by a

1927
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:10,739
um a microbiology a micro

1928
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um analysis laboratory in Illinois

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called LLC micro Trace LLC microtrades

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or microtrace LLC

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and the analysis of that was uh done

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alongside a hair completely different

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hair found by an adult see in California

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and the results of these uh forensic

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analyzes of these hairs are also in out

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of time in a long appendix as to exactly

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what they they're made of and their prey

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astounding actually

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something something quite unexpected so

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I won't go into that and and what

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remains of the interview but

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um you excuse me

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you'll find

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fairly strong scientific medical

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concrete evidence of things like that in

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out of time which are not always present

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in books on the abduction subject and um

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a lot of

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and you'll find my

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summary of

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pulling all these things together what I

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think is really going on which we've

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touched on in this interview but uh it

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requires quite a lot more than a narrow

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two to go into

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well Steve I enjoyed reading the book

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and the the work you've put in is

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evident alone in the bibliography and

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the appendix at the end as well because

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it really does back up exactly what

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you've talked about in the body of the

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text as well so it's been wonderful

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speaking with you Steve I'll put the

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links to your work in the description of

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the podcast so I would encourage folks

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to go and pick up a copy of out of time

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the intergenerational abduction program

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explored and Steve again wonderful

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speaking to you and I would just ask

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have you got plans to write any further

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books in the future on the topic

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George and that's urging me to do that

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um you know and you know that George

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Napper works out of a

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um yeah

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um I don't know I'm not I'm I've no

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plans to do that this year

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um book to speak at uh and a conference

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on the Abduction of subjects uh being

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held at whole university in September

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and I may have a couple of other

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speaking positions so once we've got

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those out of the way and the dust has

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settled maybe I'll think about another

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book

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but not it's not on the table yet

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well maybe I'll get to meet you in

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person at one of those conferences as

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well I might venture absolutely yeah I

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hope Sandy

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it's been a pleasure

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that is all for this week's show thank

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you very much for listening please

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